>> not completely surprised. he was really traveling with president trump. and in the beginning, there were very few people, particularly foreign policy people, on the trump staff in the presidential campaign. and so general flynn, i think, was critically at very key moments. >> but were you surprised at how deeply he was cooperating and for how long he was cooperating? presumably a long time. >> i was not surprised. and one reason i wasn't surprised is that i think he recognized quite quickly that he had violated a -- not only the law, but a standard of conduct that he observed rigorously as a military officer, which is truthfulness in all of your dealings. and i think his recognition of that prompted him to make a decision, a personal choice, that he would be completely forthcoming and cooperative with director mueller. >> people forget he is a retired three-star general, head of the defense intelligence agency. had 30-plus years in the u.s. military.