into a barroom brawl. donald trump, they see, as someone who is like get off my lawn, hold my beer, take my prisoners kind of guy and he will have their back. >> get off my lawn. >> he was able to convince them he is more like them than not like them. >> so his supporters are get off my lawn? that's not a positive. >> alice is 100% right, though. it makes -- now, a lot of times people vote against sort of not only their own economic conditions, but they vote against what you would think would be common sense in their world. >> yeah. >> but it is without question true, if you went up to someone and say, you're cheering as the plane that has trump written on it is flying overhead, that this is the guy who somehow is representing your interests. in this last campaign, don, he was in north dakota, and he's running down the elites, and he says, we have better houses than they do. we have better boats. i don't have a boat. my guess is most people in that audience don't own a boat.