>> sean: we continue now with the great american panel. you said something, coach. you said that was the most courageous thing you've ever heard a liberal say of the anti-poverty programs that failed. >> i used the wrong adjective. i should have said the most intelligent. >> why did i think that was just going to last as a wonderful thought. he says wait to get on the air to give me that shot. [ laughter ] >> sean: i mean -- >> look. lou holtz knows something. when you are in sports, and you play football m particularly, you run across a lot of kids coming out of poor backgrounds and they're recruiting. in football were overly taken care of. we don't have to work as hard. you don't have the ethic. >> sean: talking about people in tv? >> a lot of people i played football with, who were poor kids and believed as i do.