grow the economy. >> chris: a quick check list if we can of the president's jobs plan. money to build roads and bridges. the so-called shovel ready projects. going to go for that? >> well, they are not so shovel ready, number one. but we are going to do a new highway reauthorization and that is the normal course of business but we don't want to do it with all the borrowed money. we believe infrastructure is good and we are going to fix this. if you want to do right, the temporary tax rebates tried in the bush administration. they paid then, too. we don't think we should be bailing out state governments when the federal government's budget is in worse shape than the state government's are. >> chris: no to infrastructure as part of the jobs plan and no to aid to the states to keep first responders and teachers on the payroll? >> that is the constitutional responsibility of state governments, not the federal government. this -- >> chris: you just need to go through this quickly with you, sir. how about the payroll tax cuts,