>> read the book facing the middle east. we built schools in the middle east. the american university in beirut and the american university in cairo. we have done quite a bit in the east -- in the middle east to try to good heartedly workout. >> i agree, but it is not wrong to say many of the poor people in those countries, they don't see it that way. >> sure. there is no question about that. >> and that is who is protesting. >> that is also very wrong. there is a message out there that poor people are the ones who commit terrorism. all studies show that is not the case. if you look at those who commit terrorism, they are generally better educated and better off than the society at large. >> yes, sherrod. >> i am not talking the terrorists. i am talking the protesters. those are two different groups. the protesters are people who don't have jobs. they are tired of the police beating on them.