society. we're talking $600 billion a year in these welfare programs and they think this is humor? this is something we should reward and intralt? we have reached a real new low. >> mike: you spent a lot of your adult life fighting against not only the stereotype but in your own life the struggle that you came through to be today leading an organization to help empower people to be on their own. >> that's right. i actually live the lie of the left. seven years in and out oof welfare dependency. i believe the poor are poor because the wealthy were wealthy. i believed my problems were somebody else's fought. i believed america was so inherently racist, i ended up seven years in and out of welfare. three and a half years until a christian conversion changed my life. today i run urban cure.org we look at market based solutions to fight poverty. this is not helping to celebrate what has broken down so horrifically in this community. i'm wondering if now we can survive. if you can be rewarded for this type of ill behavior,