about, the long-time reporting and evidence that i've amassed as a journalist in los angeles in seattle, where the neglected northern border remains a problem, and of course, our airports, sea ports, and the consular offices overseas which are the front line. >> that raises the question. would conservatives ever be convinced that the border has been flat-out closed? that it is not pourous? >> yes. >> will they ever be convinced of senate. >> there's no such thing as 100% safety and security in anything in our lives. the point is that this federal government, under both republican and democrat administrations, has done the least amount possible to fulfill its constitutional mandate. you want to talk about specific metrics? how about the half million