i think in this case you're probably right as i think about it, i think it makes sense for him to sit down with putin. >> the reset button has become a joy buzzer. whenever he is over there to shake putin's hand, i actually don't blame him because putin is no berlusconi, no fun. and you cannot control what's going to happen over there. you know when he's over there he will be marginalized by snowden, someone will bring out snowden and parade him around while obama is there. he can't risk looking like a fool. >> cancelling this with putin was the last card he had in the book. putin embarrassed obama, you're right, they'll parade him around. he can't take the embarrassment, the last meeting went badly with putin. this is the last card they have. >> how about a third country, how about not russia, meet