matchup trump kills jeb bush 56% to 37%. but ben carson beats trump by the same margin, 55% to trump 36%. what are we to make of that, guy? >> it's the summer of the outsiders. people cannot stand what's happening in washington. they are uneasy about what's happening in the country. much of the blame, i think, rightly, is placed on the political class. which is why you have people like trump surging. his message is resonating. ben carson is in the same boat. you noticed a shout out from donald trump to carly fiorina who has now made it into the debate. another outsider. especially the head-to-head with jeb. the bush campaign has been pushing back. there has been a war of words between trump and bush. i think trump now is getting the better of the fight. i have a lot of issues with jeb bush and concerns about his viability. >> he has so much money. >> one of them is not fluency in spanish. speaking to voters who speak spanish in their language is not