want everybody and it's true that there are illegals, they have broken the law. but not everybody is deportable. right now, we need to have clear rules, the fed needs to sit with the cities and say give me the ones that i have on this list. >> dana: you are an immigration lawyer and is what she describing actually possibl possible? >> ice doesn't need help, they are very good at what they do. they don't need the cities, there is no such thing as a sanctuary city, it's a political phantom. nobody can touch it but it doesn't exist. a city cannot oppose the federal government. they don't need the states help. >> dana: the message that it's sending it that we hispanics, we want to protect criminals and wt to support this actuary cities. if it's true what you're saying, there is not a legal definition as to what a sanctuary city is but it's nonetheless making us look really bad. >> dana: would you support the