they would vote together. the nebs day kennedy went the other way. yes, there's some famous examples. i think he went to look at the justice white papers for further reporting, and there's case after case where not only do people think they have him, but he actually votes one way in conference, and then subsequently after sort of living with the opinion for a little while, changes his mind and goes the other way, writes an opinion the other way. that happened in school prayer, it happened in abortion. it's kind of amazing to look at the history of it. it stayed the same way when he was on the ninth circuit back in the '70s. >> you go into the psychology of kennedy insofar as his upbringing, and it was a very stable kind of almost bucolic childhood, and that that sort of self-confidence has given him to be the swing vote been to be the unpredictable vote on the court. do you think he enjoys that