both as a citizen and in terms of his financial life. in terms of the way i explained that history in massachusetts, did i get any of that wrong as far as you know? >> i think you got it right. and in trying to present this case to the ballot law commission, we were trying to show exactly what he had said under oath, signing as you point out under the pains and penalties of perjury, not by the way as he characterized it, to the best of his knowledge and belief, but under the pains and penalty of perjury. and we had the tax assessor statements in utah, we had the utah resident tax returns. the massachusetts non-resident tax returns, and then we had his attempt to retroactively rewrite his personal history. >> he was trying to retroactively essentially refile his taxes so his massachusetts taxes would be filed as if he