especially after the 1990s period of low oil prices, a lot of violations, et cetera, et cetera, this was a part of that policy. >> and also in terms of interest, right? the oil venezuela sold to the u.s. never stopped, right? no matter what he said -- >> stopped one time and stopped during the oil strike. >> right, right. but under chavez. >> i mean, this is where america's funding chavez's revolution. >> there's symiosis there, too. >> it's amuzing to watch those clips and less amusing, as you say. praise of people, not even opec people, robert magabi. there was a picture of his casket flanked by one of the most horrifying dictators of belarus. >> genuine. >> and ahmadinejad on the other side. these are obviously not just ordinary, unsavory characters.