every catholic who goes to church thinks like that, and they don't like talking about this, maybe i shouldn't have now, but they think, what side are they on? >> i don't think you should feel any catholic guilt about talking about this. we must air this out and this pope must understand and he does that it's part of what he has to do. i can tell you, i'm a catholic who has grown very distanced from the church and it has been over this sexual scandal. i can't get over the coverup. i can't get over putting the institution above the people. this is something that i hope he brings me back, and i think there's a lot of american catholics who feel the same way i do. we want that hope. we want the hope from the new pope, and hope that he brings it back. >> chaired that catholic review board, and i think we catholics have a tendency to wait to be told as opposed to participate in the debate. and when i was asked to chair the board, i didn't choose my board. we had a wonderful group of active catholics and we were