lead to other people doing it but they can be used to recruit people. they can be used to fire up people in this country and we've seen this. we just saw it in boston, people getting fired up by what we did in afghanistan and iraq and using that as a basis for their own radicalization. >> that's right, chris. and that's why you and david are exactly right say iing put in t proper perspective, let's be very clear, barack obama has been an ass kicker when it comes to al qaeda. he took out bin laden. he decimated -- took a buzz saw to al qaeda and they are now decimated. and, secondly, he has properly put forth the obama doctrine which is the counter insurgency doctrine to the counterterrorism doctrine being very specific, not nation building. we are now focusing our efforts on nation building here at home. >> patrick, i couldn't agree with you more. david corn, thank you, sir. coming up, where is the irs scandal going from here? big question, open question. the official overseeing it has