we have a situation where solar is plummeting, and utilities get to control where they're sourcing their power, right? >> right. in addition to that, if you're -- in the utility business, your job is to sell electricity to homes and businesses. the last thing you want is for homes and businesses to become independent power generators by putting solar panels on their roofs. so southern company, it's in their financial interest to block efforts to make buildings and individuals and businesses energy independent. but we need to, the technology is there, and even if a household can't afford to buy expensive solar panels, there are so many companies out there where you can lease the panels. >> no upfront costs. >> and it's cheaper on your utility. >> i want to hammer this home, debbie, i think it's key to your objection. our power that we plug into is