that he founded an organization and a lot of these supremacist groups are armed and training. >> the reality with him, is he was last involved with that paramilitary training with others 20 years ago. i mean, the last 15 years or so, he was really ostracized from the white supremacist movement in part because they viewed him as a snitch. so he didn't have the ability to lead groups of people in the last 15 years. he still tried to put out his hatred and anti-semitism through the internet, but he didn't have the audience he once had. so he's very similar to james von brun, the guy who shot up the holocaust memorial five years ago. guys that are past their prime, their don't necessarily have a group they're with, but still cling on to this hatred that made them what they were in their sort of quote unquote glory days. >> what's interesting about cross's history of hate, it's really peculiar.
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