xenophobia in southern sweden. those are the raul wallenbergs of today and if we stand with them, they're stronger. and i think that's the mandate of the legacy of raul wallenberg. >> that is an incredibly important message for all of us to hear and i hope it weighs on present-day conversations about the great human rights challenges and i appreciate both of you coming on to talk about it. ambassadors. >> thank you. >> let's follow up on the question. we have been talking about immigration. karen, what more does the president need to do to stop this problem? >> well, i think the measures looking at in terms of the initial crisis at the border right now are right. but i do any we need more of a moral conversation. mine, just listening to that conversation, i mean, this is a humanitarian crisis seeing with the children now and also -- i mean, it's become, you know, it is a racist conversation that tends to happen talking about