caring-type capacity. by the way, we're not -- there was this past week, that said cities are criminalizing homelessness. >> yes. >> and how does that measure with people who need help that does not involve the police. >> as a matter of fact, we saw in recent weeks of the woman being beaten by a police officer. we know that is a circumstance of someone who is mentally ill. and so we know that, we see that, of course, the first responder -- it's hard to even look at. but i do keep wondering is this a training issue? is this because she should never have been there? because she should have been in a caring mental health environment? what is the solution in a moment like? >> training probably is one of the issues. i mean there could be a plethora of issues but police officers really do need to be trained on how to recognize the signs when dealing with someone in a crisis, a mental health crisis. and discern whether that's

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