>> the visceral descriptions that she gave of her crime of torturing an individual and dismembering her victim, i had never heard anybody describe anything like that, and i had certainly never heard anybody describe it with such glee. so it was your pleasure when you committed this murder? >> see, that's kind of [ bleep ] up. i'm thinking i don't know what i'm thinking i don't know what my lawyer would say if i answered that straight-out. hold on. yes, yes, it was. but -- yeah. >> it was really extraordinarily disturbing. i still think about it. >> it's pretty rewarding work. it's great for the soul. >> what were you trying to get out of him? >> he thought it was funny the people he had snitched on would never get out of prison, so i wanted him to know how funny it was that they didn't need to. >> i guess the strange thing for me was during the whole interview i was two feet from her. i was holding a reflector to try