prohibitive of access to the ballot box. you have to listen to people and how they feel the weight of the law you've passed. i think the governor knows that now as he's begun to sort of back away from that and is now talking about language to fix that perception. >> is it true that candidates don't necessarily win on social issues but you can lose on them because people turn you off? >> yeah, here's the problem that pence has. unlike illinois which is pro-same-sex marriage and has a state-wide law that prohibits discrimination against gays not only does indiana not have those things and fought against same-sex marriage, but the leaders of the movement to do this in the right wing of evangelicals, who have a long track record of disliking anything to do with gay rights. pence says it doesn't discriminate. the truth is it does. what it's likely to do is give people who run businesses on religious grounds the ability to