enforcement leaders or law enforcement officers that don't think that body cameras are beneficial. we just have to recognize the full cost. the cameras are the cheap part. it's the infrastructure to support the collecting of the data and then disseminating the data when there's a public disclosure request. >> we've got to take a break. >> you have surge cost, data cost. these things aren't free, but it's also not free to pay hundreds of millions in judgments after being sued. they have their own problems. there are privacy issues to deal with. there are policy issues to deal with. but they can be a very significant factor in establishing the facts. that's what they can do. they won't change the law or the standards but they can help us establish the facts. >> we're going to have to hold it there. i'm going to have to invite you back to discuss specifically this.