where she stands on those issues. she was very straightforward. she didn't just talk about the hedge fund carried interests but a lot of other ideas and talks about the deck being stacked towards those at the top and what about the productivity of people who have been hard-working people not meeting their paychecks. so they -- i mean, if you are a ceo and you give to the campaign, you know where she stands, and i think that's the balance. that doesn't mean you don't stop pushing. it doesn't mean -- but let's be honest, you can't unilaterally disarm -- that doesn't mean you stop and part of the point why she wanted to talk about it. >> deeper issues, what is the process by which what the hillary campaign will stand for substantively be produced because there's -- i remember 2008 you had this kind of competition. you had a lot of people in the primary field, john edwards would come with a plan and what will -- when do we get specifics -- no, really. >> first we have 19 months.