the only few black artists that one does see are on about 2:30 in the morning or till around 6:00. very few are featured predominantly during the day. >> no. that's -- >> i'll say that over the last couple of weeks these things have been changing but it's a slow process. >> i know -- it's funny. i think people have different perceptions. when you wind up watching, let's say you watch an hour or two or even three a day, people somehow come away with different ideas about what we are doing. we don't have any kind of day parting for anything, let alone a black artist day parted out of what would be, quote unquote, prime time. we don't have that. >> because one sees a lot -- there's one black station on television that i keep picking up. i'm not sure which station it's on. but there seem to be a lot of black artists making very good videos that i'm surprised aren't used on mtv. >> of course also we have to try and do what we think not only in new york and los angeles will

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