moore, he is this kind of conservative folk hero and he is provocative but that is astonishing. that is unexpected. >> matthew, your turn. >> it's an alabama senate race. so i'd say just about anything is expected. this is a guy who's -- he's an extremist by i think any measure. you have mitch mcconnell, vice president mike pence, president donald trump all traveling down there in a primary to try to stop this guy from winning. he thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal. that's not gay marriage. that's just homosexuality in general. republicans up here are trembling about the prospect of this man being a u.s. senator. i think he sort of showed why right there. >> well, caroline, the question becomes can you make a case why this is any more of a national laboratory than just a test of the alabama red republican base? will this have any legs? >> it's got huge reverberations potentially. >> why?