when we met with the president, the idea was that there's to be an adherence to revenue neutrality. now they're borrowing $2.3 trillion to give a tax cut to people at the very top of the spectrum? i think there's little evidence that tax cuts pay for themselves. but they seem to indicate that this is going to enhance expenditure. there's no evidence to support the conclusions that they've drawn. recall as well that secretary mnuchin, i've had a cordial relationship with, he said absolutely no tax cut for people at the top. that is certainly not consistent with the legislation that will be released later on today. >> he also said as did gary cohen, as did the president, carried interest, absolute hook up for hedge fund managers and real estate companies would be out and it's still in. "the new york times" has an article pointing out there are around 6,000 lobbyists involved in this. is that who's behind it? to your point, steve mnuchin said we're not going to get to