the truth when the photos came out on wednesday, he was gone almost immediately. >> okay. so i understand that, give someone the benefit of the doubt. we heard trump surrogates s ov the weekend said there was no due process. >> due process is a wonderful thing -- >> it's an important thing. >> we should never downplay it, particularly in the middle of a me too moment in which some people are going to get torched unfairly. the editor of the detroit free press i think has gotten unfairly maligned here. but we're talking about a guy who is handling memos that go to the white house. this is a background check. this is not a criminal case. it's a different standard. in order to go out there and say on tuesday what john kelly said. this is a vile smear campaign. you're basically saying two different women who spoke to the fbi under penalty -- if you lie to the fbi, that's a crime.