still with us, clarence page and jon meacham. jon, i've got to say i missed football. i was excited for last night. my beloved giants didn't skip a beat. they lost just so we wouldn't feel any shock overt end of last season and the beginning of this season because they care about their fans. and then this happens. >> we need certitude in these times. >> what is going on with the president and the national football league? other than the league's kaleidoscopic inability to deal with this challenge from the president. >> i think the piece you just read from is exactly right. it's an elective feud that the president has undertaken, an elective battle, and he's -- this is absolutely for the base. it's kind of 101 old southern strategy. i say that as a southerner. but everybody knows what he's talking about when he talks about these people shouldn't be