issue? >> i think we need to flip the balance in general, representation matters and when you look at these laws being passed the most restrictive abortion laws in history, and you look at government representation, 24% of mayors and governors, you know, in the white house, and then these laws passed by 25 senators that are men, you know, all about women's rights and reproductive rights, which is a really big issue for us. ruth bader ginsburg said it right, it's a woman's right to control what happens with her body and that really contributes to equality. >> a woman's right, a woman's body and those are 24 men making decisions for half the country. shelley, tiffany, thank you so much. always great to have you. you make me smarter and better every time you're on. >> thank you for having these conversations. >> available in paperback now, get it for a summer read. a story of what happens when business and government are too