George ward well not expendable this is why were here. Would have felt. Bad his name to it now being mentioned in south africa canada that ropey early and south korea europe because he changed the tone of this country not only the United States he changed the world George Clooney thinks the world. And theyre. Trying to get me to give them what puppet no just dont speak. Also coming up tonight his anger and his hope have come to life many times on the big screen the activists in film director spike lee tells g. W. News why his hope is now attached to one day in november where you see hope for the future hope i see it in millions of american history. Saying enough is enough i see hope and. It was hopeful on november 4th that they had the president elect. On to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day as one man is laid to rest leaving behind a world that is in unrest today george floyd was buried in his hometown of Houston Texas it has been 16 days since this africanamerican man was pinned down to the ground by a Police Officer and killed his death captured on video in seen around the globe igniting protests against racism and Police Brutality at 1st in the u. S. And now here in europe those protests continue uninterrupted and unabated today George Floyds coffin was lowered into the ground to rest forever beside the place where his mother was buried and just before his life ended mr floyd was heard calling out for his deceased mother a call for his mom a call that every man and woman has made a call immediately understood by every human being it was that call for humanity that was touched upon today at the funeral of george florey. That we thank you for this fella brace we thank you for that live joy oh i dont got that at a moment when we caught up very. Early it let me let dr. Let me. Run. On this where ill pick up on. Thank you. Well the reach of george void in deaths will undoubtedly be far in water consider the black lives matter in the United States that have resonated around the world the protests they have people talking and thinking here in germany it has triggered many to reexamine their own attitudes towards racism later this month for the 1st time in germany a nationwide survey will ask black people about the discrimination they face in their every day law. Thats what i would backstrom is one of about to 1000000 black people in germany but nobody knows that for sure as there are no official figures is she grew up in leipzig is the daughter of Sudanese Exchange students off the fall of the berlin wall life in east germany in the ninetys was difficult for black people many of them felt left alone. When a right to in most circles around us affair and theres a policeman standing around who just lets it happen as 15 people are shot at the end what. Memories like this often make you doubt whether you really welcome in this country. Life will also. Want. Thats why the organize ations each one teach one and citizens of europe are conducting a survey the affray census the 1st one on black peoples lives in germany daniel jama hopes it will fill the gaps. Fortunately theres been far too Little Research in recent decades on the situation of black people and on black racism in germany that explains why politicians keep asking as well whats the problem. They find it difficult to talk about black people and thats why weve decided to take matters into our own hands and walk in his endurance hopeful shes from from some what says the teacher and then shes upset at the lack of sensitivity even amongst. Well meaning white people. My class and i prepared. The kids were super super motivated they were doing well and then they got stage fright the principal of the school. To the whole assembly and stated i just love like music. And theyre large. Interesting but the real problem in the real question is like how could those in know you know members. Recording and no one talking about it the average census wants to facilitate precisely this discussion and to better capture every day racism in German Society but it also has another effect to see and poems and ultimately its also very empowering for those for black and i think thats great. Theres never been a survey like the afro census before germany is reluctant to collect statistics on citizens according to ethnic criteria. Theres always a reluctance to ask communities about their situation about whether they are discriminated against people are afraid that this kind of research will create these communities that we are here we are part of the society we wont be denied the right to exist and we can all speak about black people African People calmly without being afraid of him and pushing. Its hoped it could be a step towards change for. Change so my 1st guest tonight says she looks at the entire world with a mixture of optimism and pessimism when it comes to ending racism im happy to welcome to 92 me to the show mrs schumi is a professor of law at u. C. L. A. She is the United Nations special rockets year on racism Racial Discrimination seen a phobia and related intolerance and she joins me tonight from los angeles tonight its good to have you on the program you know weve seen a lot in the last 2 weeks when when you consider the protests that weve seen in the u. S. And here in europe you also have to include the scenes of Peaceful Protesters who were cleared out by armed police near the white house last week i mean there have been scenes of looting and violence as well where does all of this leave you as you look towards the future for our plan to. Thanks so much for having me brant and i think its very important that youre covering this really important topic i think the thing that stands out the most to me right now is that were at an important turning point nationally in the United States but even globally in terms of how we talk about and even understand systemic racism as a general matter and then specifically in encounters with Law Enforcement so what youre seeing is a shift in the debate away from thinking that the issue is a few bad apples to really examining policing structures you know immunity against Police Expanded by jets that mean the police in the u. S. Are involved in providing Mental Health and social services and the debate that were seeing playing out and what the protesters are pushing for is a reform of the entire system and its been a very long journey to get here even just having worked on issues in los angeles you see a very real shift in the local and in the National Conversation around how we understand systemic racism and how we understand Police Brutality in that context and i think this applies outside of the u. S. As well so some of your earlier coverage mentioned the protests that were seeing in europe and other parts of the world and i would say that these protests also are about solidarity on the one hand but marking shifts and how race is understood and talked about and how Racial Discrimination is understood and talked about in the different parts of the world and in germany in the u. K. In belgium just to name a few examples so on my end i think the most powerful thing to focus on right now and the most hopeful thing is a very genuine shift in how we understand the nature of the problem and you know this is happening at the same time that the entire world finds itself in the coronavirus pandemic and just this past weekend the number of new infections im hit a record high talk to me about how the pandemic and the fight against racism how are they linked. You know theyre very closely intertwined and i think theres a number of points of intersection i think one is that the pandemic has amplified just how bad preexisting structures of Racial Discrimination and inequality have become in many parts of the world including the United States which is one of the wealthiest nations in the world and studies are showing us that black people in the United States racial ethnic minorities in different parts of the world are hardest hit by this pandemic so theyre facing the threat of the disease but then they are also facing the existential threat of racism which means that they are move on the ball too to dying from the disease so i think they are very closely intertwined you see how racism is an existential threat it can affect whether you live or die you see that in the context of the pandemic and then in the u. S. You also see it in the context of you know Police Brutality that doesnt poor as just because you have a pandemic in effect and so i think there is a lot of intertwining happening here in the pandemic opens up the possibility of really engaging with things that people have been complaining about for really long time you know you and i were talking about both of these things but i think if you were to look at the the Media Coverage in the last 2 weeks i think you would agree with me that coverage of the pandemic has really dropped off people are now surprised that were seeing these high numbers new infections what responsibility do you think the media have to ensure that these 2 stories of the century are being reported. I think the media has massive responsibility that the media really shapes how we understand so much in this world including racism and Racial Discrimination and i think part of the reason why the Trans National solidarity has been as powerful as because need has been because Media Coverage has really shown attention on whats happening in the u. S. And in other parts of the law and i think the challenge here is to ensure that the media wields that responsibility to wield the power that it has in ways that continue to reinforce the call for equality and that i think requires maintaining attention on issues to do with racism whether its in the context of the pandemic or and in the context of policing and to ensure that that coverage is is is responsible and that it that it really reflects the circumstances of the people who are most marginalized one thing that ive been wondering is whether the issue of Racial Injustice in general is going to fall off the front page newspapers in the next 2 weeks in the way that the news cycles change and i think that would be a real disservice to the movements if the media didnt remain engaged on an issue thats going to take a really long time to solve its a very good point and its a justifiable worry as well racism and xenophobia they have a lot to do with attitudes and with legislation that deals with migraines and immigrants and refugees its been a big story here and in europe i want you to take a listen to what italys foreign minister said this week about the pandemic migration and asylum laws in europe take a listen if them of the limits or fame of immigration is another one where we are working side by side with greece and i think its management is of fundamental importance for us and italy shares with grace an extremely delicate geographical position given that it is a border from the e. U. To the outside its coming from africa of superman if you tell africa limit. Its any pandemic and Public Health crisis in europe has had a strong impact on the reform of the european asylum system delaying the commissions publication of the new Patent Office and slowing down the negotiation process migration flows continue to represent a challenge for 1st entry member states. You know youre here theyre the pandemic has had an impact there has been no reform to speak of i know that you have proposed that we re conceive International Migration you write about a quote here the root of International Law as dysfunctional relationship with International Mobility is this lol steadfast protection of the right of a state to exclude noncitizens so youre talking about changing International Law and migration and you say it should be changed or to address the colonialism or to address what colonialism calls talk to me about that what would that look like. So i think the most important thing is fundamentally shifting the way that we understand borders and the work that would as do and i think the clip that you played is a useful place to start to do that and so in that clip it sounds as though the one of the outcomes is framing african migration to europe as per se a threat which i think is a dangerous and false way of understanding the borders that exists between europe and the african continent and i think you see that in the context of the cove in 1000 pandemic where in actual fact europe was an epi center long before africa was in a way that makes it i think disingenuous to speak about the pandemic and then migration from africa as though there is a kind of need a line of thread between those things for too long i think racist and xenophobic or ethno nationalist ways of understanding what borders can be have been allowed to really dictate how we understand the governance and again in the pandemic context weve seen that thats been costly so racial profiling where people who look like they might be coming from china being stopped at borders in ways that people who are coming from europe arent being stopped at you know at borders has resulted in all kinds of Public Health concerns and so if you go back to the question that youre asking me i think we need a historic sized and a justice oriented perspective when we think about how borders work and we should be understanding how borders can be faithful to the interconnection that exists between europe and africa so weve seen in the last few weeks european governments concerned about migrant labor in order to serve the Agricultural Industry which is absolutely vital to europe and some of that labor is coming from the african continent and so rather than insisting that migration is fundamentally a threat i think local leaders and National Leaders should really be more honest about how much reliance there is across borders how much and just as in the past. It has taken place across for ages and how. The goal should be ensure that if im lucky and discrimination dont have to rise the way we make decisions about how people move ok unfortunately were out of time fascinating talking with you. And sue me professor of law at u. C. L. A. And the un special on racism Racial Discrimination xenophobia and related in tolerance i have you come back and talk with us again thank you. For the shocking images of george fords death came as no surprise to film director spike lee his movies including black klansman malcolm x. And do the right thing focus on Police Brutality and the plight of africanamericans in the u. S. His latest work is a short film drawing a connection between george fords death and what he sees as institutionalized violence and racism among American Police forces but spike lee remains hopeful the oscar winning director tells my colleague scott ross for why he thinks real change is now within reach like never before spike lees response to the death of george floyd was to make this film editing footage of floyds killing with the chokehold death of our karner and 2014 and with scenes from his own 1989 film do the right thing do it right and it was based upon their will live show murder. Michael steele and then be anything about. The simple and brutal message is this is happened before if nothing changes this will happen again. But lee does see a difference this time in the broad group of americans whose response to George Floyds death was to take to the streets not just black and brown. White merriman or white sister brother take in the streets and joyous and saying this has to stop. And theres a National Crowd or these Police Departments across america got to do some with them you know they got out they got to be reform change fast app and how policing is done in the United States of America Black t. I for decades spike lee has been making movies about us racism and the forgotten history of africanamericans amid the shoot him up action of his new film the 5 bloods about black vietnam vets least slips in social and political commentary. About the current resident of the white house leaders of mince words his nickname for President Donald Trump says it all agent orange is going to go down as the worst president in history of the United States in america. And its funny now the see his allies these generals and politicians are slowly starting to move away from him because they can read right into a wall and they dont want to go down in history attached to this guy being on the beat on a written down history is on the wrong side of history with a capital w. For the 1st time in decades one of americas loudest critics sees hope for real change hope i see years of millions of americans taking to the streets saying enough is enough i see hope in oh you feel more hopeful on november 4th thats the day after the president ial election. We will see where youll find my next guest tonight on stage or on line being what she calls a professional troublemaker who calls out the people who refuse to do better she has put her words and thoughts to paper and is the author of the New York Times bestseller im judging you the do better manual book of essays is a guide to modern manners initiatives to inject some act right into our culture social media and other parts of life she is also followed by hundreds of thousands on her humor blog awesomely loving and loving and jai jones the selfproclaimed shady nigerian joins me tonight on the day its good to have you here its good to see someone smiling on the show for a change about 2 years ago if i hadnt always good to good to have you here about 2 years ago i think you said in order for change to take place a domino needs to fall in the rest of us have to fall like dominos to was george for you to a domino absolutely i think george floyd was an inadvertent domino lets talk about being a domino it means one person taking one action that reverberated through the world and makes other people move i dont think george wanted to be the domino that he was in being murdered on video by a Police Officer hes an inadvertent domino and because of the fact that he ended up losing his life in such an unjust way the rest of us have been convicted and call to action to make sure that there are no law there george ploys no other i understand he jones no other what he avoids Trayvon Martins people who lose their lives alternately because White Supremacists finds them its image datings thinking for the skin that theyre. Let me you say youre the person who says what others think but dare not speak so tell me what are black and white americans what are they thinking right now. You know i cant speak for everybody but just judging from the news from my friends my family and how everybody feeling like americans are frustrated deeply frustrated he said your centuries of denigration of prejudice of racism for sure thats not a new feeling george floyd is what the catalyst for this spark plugs white americans im not sure how theyre feeling but i hope what theyre feeling right now is the complete like being compelled to be a part of the solution its not enough to not be the person who is doing the harm you have to be the person whos actively working against the system that caused something of the murder of george floyd so right now i think we are all being called to figure out what our role is in making this world better than we found it and i think anybody a privilege whatever that is whatever your privileges and whatever power you have you have to step up and spend that privilege in the words of Rebecca Cochran which i heard from that kind of ham and i think right now everybodys been all its to figure out what can you do in whatever space sure in whatever power that you have to make the world better and hopefully prevent some tragedies because of the work youre doing and i want to ask you about the n. F. L. Player drew brees see posted a black square on his Instagram Page to show solidarity with black people and i mean hes had a transformation in a pity but in response to that someone posted an old photo of breeze with donald and Melania Trump and it just had the caption this year with a question mark you know this is me miss you stands for a lot what do you say about that. Heres the thing i dont want people to think theyve done the work of anti racism because they put up a black square in instagram i think its time for people to actually start doing something of note to fight it and maybe the comment that he got about his old. Pictures is because people dont see what juries are doing thats actually fighting against the race and fighting that he lives and he profits from it so its up to drew to figure out what he can be doing every single day to do anti racist work and for me right now we actually mill the campaign we Just Launched question at the mike now what were asking people to give up their instagram accounts of what powerful people who are white women have agreed to morrow 50 of them have agreed to give up their stomach count of 8 full black women stories unfortunately dont unfortunately we were out of time but but please come back again because we want to talk with you again and specially when we have more time lovey jai joe make it very much thank you. Well the day is almost done the conversation continues online you can find us on twitter at u. W. New should follow me of sprint golf t. V. Will see you tomorrow but. Wildlife reserves in south africa. 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