origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will. it's probably not the right parlance but no kidding, nonhuman, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. >> lawrence: well. exotic. let's bring in ufo expert nic pope. so what do you think he meant by exotic origin? >> well, everyone has been debating whether some of this could be our own secret technology classified aircraft, military drones, that sort of thing or something that an adversary has. but he has been very clear. he says no, no. this is a nonhuman intelligence and he has talked about recovered craft and even bodies. so what i hope that we are going to hear today is something that will enable congress to validate those claims because, of course, if they're true, it changes everything. >> lawrence: do you believe that some of this is going to be classified, is going to be discussed in close door hearings?

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