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Deliver right now is to halve inflation again. Now thats something that im deeply committed to. Its the first of my five priorities. Why . Because thats we can help people thats how we can help people with living. Just with the cost of living. We just want money want to put more money in peoples pockets. And the best way that right now is way to do that right now is through inflation. Through halving inflation. And that conservative that is a deeply conservative approach this. And my approach to this. And my colleagues understand this approach to this. And my cowhatues understand this approach to this. And my cowhat margaret stand this approach to this. And my cowhat Margaret Thatcher this approach to this. And my cowhat Margaret Thatcher didis approach to this. And my cowhat Margaret Thatcher did. Is what Margaret Thatcher did. Set to be a key well, tax is set to be a key issue over the four day event, with more than 30 tory mps promising not to support the autumn statement if it contains any hikes. Shadow health any hikes. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says theyre right to question the pms tax policies, including his views on inheritance tax. Views on inheritance tax. After 13 years of conservative government we end up in a position where even its own mps are having to campaign against their unfair tax policies and i think conservative mps are quite right to say how is it that weve got the worst , to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest to say how is it that weve got the worst , highest tax to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest tax burden in 70 years . They should also be asking rishi sunak why . Why, asking rishi sunak why . Why, instead of thinking about cutting taxes for working people, hes looking to give himself and other super rich people a tax break by cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. A tax cut that would earn him personally. £300 would earn him personally. £300 million, a key part of the Windsor Framework has come into effect for Northern Ireland with a new system introduced to move products from Great Britain goods which are being transported to the eu will use a red lane which includes Customs Declarations and some checks, while those bound for Northern Ireland will use a green lane with minimal papennork and no checks, no for not, rather for eu labels will start appearing on some products in stores. And the secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Chris Heaton Harris, says hes heaton harris, says hes exploring heaton harris, says hes exploring new ferry routes. The first stage of implementing the Windsor Framework agreement has commenced , removing barriers commenced, removing barriers that existed for Great British Great Britain based businesses to trade with Northern Ireland. This morning, bright and early i visited peel port in birkenhead to see the smooth flow of and goods flow of trade and goods available to travel, able to travel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Im now actually also actively exploring how we can support a new ferry route between larne and liverpool so we can seize the moment increase trade within moment to increase trade within the uk even further. The uk even further. Meanwhile, protests have been gathering outside of the Tory Party Conference in manchester, calling for an end to the conservative government. Some are Holding Signs reading bring down the tories and free the north. Others are protesting against the minimum Service Levels act, defending the right to strike. Well, in the last few minutes , the family of jessica minutes, the family of Jessica Baker have paid tribute. The 15 year old died when her school coach crashed on the m 53 on friday. They say jessicas untimely death has to led a massive void in their lives. The massive void in their lives. The driver also died when the coach overturned ofgems Energy Price Cap has now fallen across england, wales and scotland and in place for the next three months. The average household bill is set to be reduced by around £150. Thats still more than 50 higher than pre crisis levels the government is yet to announce any Financial Support for struggling households. Shop for struggling households. Shop owners are asking the home secretary to specific outlaw attacks on retail staff. Close to 90 Business Leaders say the government should create a new offence of assaulting, threatening or abusing a retail worker to bring english and welsh law in line with scotland. And a survey from the British Retail Consortium found that incidents of violence nearly doubled in the 20 2122 Financial Year compared with before the pandemic and some single use plastic items are now banned in england. Businesses can no longer sell products like plastic cutlery, plates and polystyrene cups, and they face fines if they do, local authorities will be able to carry out inspections to make sure that the rules are being followed. Andrew crook is followed. Andrew crook is president of the National Federation of fish friers. He says people need to be educated on how to recycle this new packaging. Packaging. This is a product called bagasse, which is a compostable. Its made from sugarcane. So it its made from sugarcane. So it does have a Carbon Footprint because it comes from china. The problem is they look very similar whats banned, which similar to whats banned, which is the expanded polystyrene. So is the expanded polystyrene. So i think theres still an education piece from the government for consumers about how dispose of them correctly how to dispose of them correctly if they dont find their way into and theyre just into a bin and theyre just discarded, theyll just act the same and of discarded, theyll just act the sareven and of discarded, theyll just act the sareven if and of discarded, theyll just act the sareven if it and of discarded, theyll just act the sareven if it ends\nd of discarded, theyll just act the sareven if it ends up of discarded, theyll just act the sareven if it ends up in of it, even if it ends up in general waste, will either be incinerated to produce electricity or end up in landfills. Landfills. Is news across the uk this is gb news across the uk , on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by play gb news now lets by saying play gb news now lets get back to nana. Get back to nana. Good afternoon. Its fast good afternoon. Its fast approaching. Seven minutes after 3 00. This is gb news on tv onune 3 00. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua. Now, before we get stuck into the debates in the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to heathers political commentator and former conservative adviser conservative special adviser Claire Pearsall. Also a former adviser to Jeremy Corbyn. James schneider. Now theyre going head to head in a clash of minds in a few moments time. And this is what well be discussing. Well crossing first, well be crossing live. First, though, manchester the though, to manchester as the conservative conference conservative Party Conference gets and bringing you gets undennay and bringing you the throughout the whole the latest throughout the whole conference as rishi sunak the conservative party outline their vision for the future. And coming up in this hour, we can expect to hear from foreign secretary James Cleverly and also secretary grant also defence secretary grant shapps and well be discussing whether the uk should be ramping up our support for ukraine in shapps has floated the idea that british could soon be training troops on the ground in ukraine is this worth the risk then . Are the tories finally taking migration seriously . Rishi sunak and Suella Braverman are both geanng and Suella Braverman are both gearing up for a fight with the echr. Now theyre preparing to echr. Now theyre preparing to use new legal powers to ignore injunctions from the Strasbourg Court as they try and get the rwanda plan back on track. And its not just migration where the government are getting serious. Net zero two business serious. Net zero two business secretary Kemi Badenoch has warned that we cannot bankrupt ourselves in an attempt to reach ourselves in an attempt to reach our 2050 target and also theres help for our high street. £1 billion boost for british high streets from the government as rishi sunak named 55 rundown towns set to benefit from levelling up. But although i thought thats what they were meant to be doing, they have been know what been doing dont know what theyre but thats theyre levelling, but thats coming next hour. Tell coming up in the next hour. Tell me what you think of everything were discussing. Email gbviews gbnews. Com were discussing. Email gb. Iews gbnews. Com were discussing. Email gb. Gb; gbnews. Com were discussing. Email gb. Gb news. 5ws. Com were discussing. Email gb. Gb news. So. Com were discussing. Email gb. Gb news. So today marks the at. Gb news. So today marks the kick off of the tories annual conference in manchester. As pressure mounts on Prime Minister rishi sunak to turn around his partys struggling fortunes. If only theyd stopped fortunes. If only theyd stopped the infighting all eyes will be on home secretary Suella Braverman after her controversial speech in washington dc week, where washington, dc this week, where she criticised multiculturalism. I wrote a nice little piece on that piece on that in daily that piece on that in the daily mail, possibly positioning herself as the darling the herself as the darling of the right of the party. Todays right of the party. And todays speakers foreign speakers include foreign secretary James Cleverly, who will from will hopefully be hearing from and grant and defence secretary grant shapps. Joining me now, though, shapps. Joining me now, though, to update whats to give an update on whats on the the couple the agenda for the next couple of as mood of of days as the mood of conference is, gb deputy conference is, gb news deputy Political Editor tom hannood. Tom welcome, welcome, welcome. Tom welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you and welcome to manchester to hear the conservative Party Faithful are gathering for their conference. Four days of it here in manchester starting this sunday. And despite the train strikes , and despite the train strikes, there have been fair few there have been a fair few people gathering. Starting people gathering. Were starting here the exit centre here to show you the exit centre where of people are where lots of people are displaying their companies. Where lots of people are displaying their companies. And displaying their companies. And of course youve got the conservative party here, conservative party shop here, hashtag 23. Thats the hashtag cpc 23. Thats the slogan of this conference on social media. But perhaps the most exciting stall and stop me if im being a little bit biased, a little bit less than impartial here. Gb news of course , is exhibiting our course, is exhibiting our wonderful stand. Were of course, at the Tory Party Conference next week. Were at the labour Party Conference as well with the same stan , but i well with the same stan, but i believe shapps is speaking believe grant shapps is speaking right lets a listen right now. Lets have a listen to him. Youll see. To him. Youll see. But, but, but he will be speaking very shortly as well. Speaking very shortly as well. Were going to cross live now to the Party Conference where secretary of state of defence grant shapps are speaking about the conflict in ukraine exit either. Either. Putin hoped to take ukraine by bluff , putin hoped to take ukraine by bluff, a swift armoured invasion designed to seize kyiv and install a puppet government i ukraine would be taken quickly. It would be ovennhelmed. It would be reduced to a vassal state. Its identity and freedom from crush. Crush. But the ukrainian people were not going to let that happen , not going to let that happen, and neither were we. The United Kingdom stepped up. We have provided billions and military aid, second only to the contribution of the United States. We have consistently been the first and responding to ukraines needs. The nlaw anti tank missiles wise , we sent anti tank missiles wise, we sent in advance by britain. Thank you in advance by britain. Thank you to ben wallace were crucial in those first early weeks when the fate of ukraine hang hung in the balance and as then laws struck fear into the hearts of invading russian tank crews at the beginning. So our long term, long range cruise missiles do the same for russian commanders today with weapons like storm shadow everywhere in russian occupied ukraine is on the front line. And we cannot we must not line. And we cannot we must not let up now. The war is consuming let up now. The war is consuming weapons and ammunition and yes, people. And an appalling rate. If ukrainians are to prevail against the evil assault on their homeland, we must remain steadfast. And thats why were helping to train their f 16 pilots. Its why by the end of pilots. Its why by the end of this year, well have trained more than 50,000 ukrainian recruits starting well in advance of the war. And of course, its why ukrainians have been welcomed by so many british families under the homes for ukraine scheme , including for a ukraine scheme, including for a year my own home. Now, my wife and i were partly moved to act because our own ancestors fled to this country to escape the pogroms of eastern europe. In an earlier age. But what really moved us most was the palpable sense of generosity from the British Public for our new arrivals to britain , complete arrivals to britain, complete strangers came fonnard with clothes, with. School books. For clothes, with. School books. For six year old nikita, and most precious of all their time, to help ensure the three generation of ukrainian family that came to live with us truly at home live with us felt truly at home in kingdom. You know in the United Kingdom. You know , we should never be complacent about this country. Whatever our grumbles, this is a precious and incredibly generous land. Incredibly generous land. My first visit to ukraine this summer when i visited nikitas nursery in kyiv , i saw the nursery in kyiv, i saw the apartment block across the road from his kindergarten that had been destroyed by one of putins rockets at the start of the war. This was the attack that made nikita his mother, his grandmother, together with their dog max, flee from ukraine. Only as i glanced across the street from his nursery this summer, there was no bombed out shell to view the apartment block had already been completely rebuilt. It reinhabited. What i was. It reinhabited. What i was witnessing was the iron resolve of the ukrainian people. All three people maintaining a semblance of life, even amongst the air raid sirens rebuilding their homes the moment they get their homes the moment they get the chance and last week, as defence secretary, i visited kyiv again and this time i met with the steely resolve of president zelenskyy himself at a time when he could have left the capital, at a time when he could have become a leader in exile. He did not. He stayed put and he provided inspiration for his people and he showed remarkable bravery. Ukraine has bravery. Ukraine has taught us a lesson. The war reminds us that unprovoked aggression by one nafion unprovoked aggression by one nation against another is still a reality in global affairs. A reality in global affairs. Left unchecked, we are all in danger. And this is why we must danger. And this is why we must invest in our defence. Thats why under the conservative government , defence spending has government, defence spending has exceeded. £50 billion a year. Exceeded. £50 billion a year. For the first time ever. And for the first time ever. And conference is why well maintain our leading position in nato by increasing the defence budget to 2. 5 of gdp when conditions allow. Because we know the world is changing. So as a result, were working ever closer with our allies developing the latest Naval Technology to protect our commonwealth, kith and kin in the pacific as they face the challenge of a rapidly expanding chinese navy deployed the two of the Worlds Largest and most advanced carriers in history , advanced carriers in history, the royal navy has ever seen in the queen elizabeth, hms and hms princess prince of wales were ploughing billions into our own Naval Shipbuilding Program , as Naval Shipbuilding Program, as well as into civilian construction to create jobs and to grow our economy and britain is one of the few nations capable of operating in every ocean in the world simultaneously. Our ultimate simultaneously. Our ultimate National Insurance policy is, of course, our at sea Nuclear Deterrent. So were building the deterrent. So were building the new dreadnought class submarines that will carry britains Nuclear Deterrent into the middle of this century. And today i can announce that weve signed contracts worth. £4 signed contracts worth. £4 billion with leading british businesses to drive fonnard the development of the most powerful attack submarines ever operated by the royal navy. These hunter by the royal navy. These hunter killer aukus submarines will empower the royal navy to maintain our strategic advantage under the sea , enabling us to under the sea, enabling us to compete with emerging navies anywhere in the world as our world becomes more unpredictable and dangerous today , his and dangerous today, his announcement will support thousands of jobs from barrow in furness , where these submarines furness, where these submarines will be built, furness, where these submarines will be built , to derby, where will be built, to derby, where our reactor build facilities will be expanded. And by backing will be expanded. And by backing british businesses to develop them, were taking the long term decisions we need to boost our Defence Industry and to grow our economy under our Prime Ministers leadership, the conservative reserves are putting uk at the very heart of nato. Vladimir putin shattered peace across europe, but in doing so, he made our collective will and our resolve more important than ever. And in response s the uk is taking a leading role in ensuring that nato remains the bedrock of our security. For us and for our allies. We are one of natos allies. We are one of natos very few members , exceeding the very few members, exceeding the critical 2 of gdp target for the amount of money which is spent on our defence and of course we are the largest defence spender in europe and were delivering capabilities. Our alliance needs. Today i can our alliance needs. Today i can announce the uk has stepped up again with two new deployments. Again with two new deployments. First, in response to a request from our polish friends , raf from our polish friends, raf typhoons are landing in poland. As i speak to support our nato ally with the growing threat of russian interference deploying ahead of polands elections, there will be a very powerful way of undeniably showing putin that this conservative government will protect democracy and freedom from any despotic tyrant that threatens our allies. And second, our allies. And second, ahead of what i think has been a concerning week or at the end of what i think has been a concerning week. There have been a request from natos supreme allied commander, europe. And so allied commander, europe. And so ihave allied commander, europe. And so i have authorised the full deployment of a battalion sized uk Strategic Reserve force to natos Kosovo Peacekeeping mission in the days ahead, hundreds of soldiers from the First Battalion princess of waless royal regiment will join the 400 british servicemen and women already in kosovo. And as women already in kosovo. And as the best of the best, i know our soldiers will do the United Kingdom proud. Kingdom proud. Weve been unwavering in our support for nato, contributing to every allied mission that they have and supporting them. This weekend, so that when nato contacted us, they knew the answer from the United Kingdom would be yes , as conserved would be yes, as conserved lives, we put National Security first, which is more than can be said for labour. So what is Keir Starmers approach to our fundamental security . Security . He simple. Security . He simple. He security . He simple. He personally he simple. He personally campaigned to make one. Jeremy corbyn Prime Minister, the man who called for nato to be disbanded and starmer actually backed plans for britain to adopt a non eu non aligned defence policy. In plain english, that meant scrapping tried and abandoning nato and leaving us naked in the face of Nuclear Threats from the kremlin. And that isnt just the starmer of the past. Since then , hes gone further, appointing a shadow foreign secretary who has repeated voted against renewing our Nuclear Deterrence. You know , in the military. You know, in the military sphere , its sometimes good to sphere, its sometimes good to keep your enemy guessing. The keep your enemy guessing. The problem with keir starmer is that on policy , he keeps that on policy, he keeps everyone guessing , including everyone guessing, including himself. Everyone guessing, including himself. What would britains armed forces look like . After armed forces look like . After five years of labour . Who knows . The man will say anything, anything to get himself elected. But the one thing we do know is that you just cannot trust labour on. Defence and if labour on. Defence and if perish the thought that labour get back into power , the old habits will into power, the old habits will resurface. Defence is always dismissed and disparaged by the left will be the First Casualty we, our Service People and Defence Industries and our veterans all deserve much better. Conference we must not let that happen. In but there is let that happen. In but there is one area in which we absolutely must do better service. Life is must do better service. Life is tough enough on families , tough enough on families, servicemen and women without having to put up with sub sub standard accommodation. There are too many old and creaking buildings in our estate and that lowers morale. Our accommodation lowers morale. Our accommodation estate is in fact very large indeed. If the ministry of defence was a housing association, it would rank amongst the biggest in the land. So im amongst the biggest in the land. So im making it a amongst the biggest in the land. So im making it a personal. So im making it a personal priority to improve its quality, which is why were were injecting £400 million to ensure that we provide the modern accommodation that our Service Families deserve. And while families deserve. And while resolving this problem will not be instantaneous , i am be instantaneous, i am determined that we fix it in order to support our brave men and women at home as well as on the front line. And while were the front line. And while were on the subject of morale , i want on the subject of morale, i want to end by saying something about our party. One of the things i most admire about the military is that they dont gloss over the harsh realities. Now now, times are tough. We are behind times are tough. We are behind in the polls. The pundits tell in the polls. The pundits tell us that labour is a shoo in and we wouldnt be human if we didnt sometimes feel the pressure. But for those who think that this conference is going to be nothing more than inward looking or downcast , i inward looking or downcast, i say this this country faces an important choice. Rishi rishi sunak , who will make the hard sunak, who will make the hard but necessary long term decisions to get the country on the right path for the future. Or sir keir starmer, a man focussed on the short term lacking the backbone to make the big changes that britain needs. Big changes that britain needs. If rishi and rishi, we have a leader whos weathered a very brutal baptism of fire and is coming through , his mettle has coming through, his mettle has been tested and not found wanting. He stuck to his course. Wanting. He stuck to his course. Trust in what he believes to be right for the country. It doesnt always make him popular in the short term , but that is in the short term, but that is the price of doing the right thing. We need leadership that puts the National Interest over self interest and does what is right, not what is easy. Now, i trust the british people , their trust the british people, their good sense, and they can spot a serious man to take the tough decisions and they can spot an Opposition Leader who has made an art out of political opportunism. So lets take the fight to say anything. Starmer hes measuring the curtains. He thinks hes home and dry. He thinks hes home and dry. He thinks that he can take downing street by bluff. But as the steely sir Claude Auchinleck said before, the first battle of el alamein , when the british had el alamein, when the british had their backs to the wall and rommel seemed triumphant, lets show him where he gets off. Thank you. Thank you. Thus, of course, defence secretary grant shapps, speaking at the conservative Party Conference. Interesting what he said there about keir starmer. Hes measuring the curtains. Hes measuring the curtains. Very interesting indeed. But lets lets get started. Lets welcome again to my Panel Political commentator Claire Pearsall. Also james schneider, former adviser to Jeremy Corbyn. Listen im going to start with claire on this one because obviously your former conservative adviser. What would conservative adviser. What would you about that speech . What you say about that speech . What were the highlights that you saw in that . I think its quite interesting that lets remove the ukraine aspect of it. But if youre looking more to what your defence secretary is to going do for your armed forces, then the change in accommodation standards is absolutely vital. Standards is absolutely vital. Im so pleased 400 million to get accommodation for Service Families up to scratch is absolutely the right way fonnard and i really wish that hed opened with that because i think that that is incredibly important. We need to look after important. We need to look after our armed forces. We need to our armed forces. We need to look at their pay and conditions and also what equipment theyre going out to serve us with and those things , i think, are those things, i think, are arguably more important. Those things are going to matter a lot more to individuals looking at which way theyre going to vote. And those armed forces personnel. Absolutely deserve our support. So i im so pleased that hes done that. I wasnt that hes done that. I wasnt sure quite what to expect from grant shapps. Hes only been defence secretary for quite a short time. Hes not ben wallace. He doesnt have that same way of presenting information. But i do think that information. But i do think that it was a good introduction. Now it was a good introduction. Now ukraine is always going to be a major part of what the uk is going to push fonnard. Seeing as that weve been behind a lot of the support. But i think that needs to be put back in a in a Conference Speech like that. I Conference Speech like that. I really, really do. I dont think thatis really, really do. I dont think that is the most important thing, but overall im pretty pleased with performance. So far. James schneider, what you james schneider, what did you make he did reference make of it . He did reference Jeremy Corbyn. Your your ex boss, he . Talked about ex boss, didnt he . Talked about how corbyn didnt want trident how corbyn didnt want a trident in any of the Nuclear Deterrence and if wed be left exposed, he did. So claires completely right with the, the accommodation policy, which was actually one of labours policies under Jeremy Corbyn. We had all of those issues as claires talking about, as well as education for forces. Children were a focus in our in our policies. Jeremy corbyn is not liked by by the military and security establishment because he wanted to, in my view, absolutely , to, in my view, absolutely, rightly, dramatically change course in our foreign policy. So an end to the bomb first, think later policies an end to the war on terror , an end to complicity on terror, an end to complicity in torture, things that have made us less safe at home, and also have made things deterrent. Dont forget the trident as well. He wanted that, didnt he . And to trident wanted an . And to trident he wanted an end to i mean Nuclear Weapons are a very bad thing. They risk the annihilation of everybody on earth. No, thats true. But you see what happens when you dont have them. And thats why putin probably ukraine, probably invaded ukraine, because are big nuclear because there are big Nuclear Power, they, russia. So power, arent they, russia. So im putin didnt im just i mean, putin didnt invade because he has Nuclear Weapons and labours policy was for Multi Lateral nuclear disarmament, which actually been the policy of every government. Its meant to be the policy of every government in this country since the 1950s. We shouldnt want to have Nuclear Weapons. We should want. To weapons. We should want. To ive got to stop you there, because actually, James Cleverly is about to start speaking out the Tory Party Conference. So we are go live now to him. Are going to go live now to him. So if youre wondering and so if youre wondering where at the moment where they are at the moment dunng where they are at the moment during speech, theyre out during this speech, theyre out in the wider world promoting britain on the world stage. And britain on the world stage. And all those visits, all those meetings , all those calls has meetings, all those calls has allowed me to hear firsthand what the world thinks of us and as a result, my view of britains standing in the world has never been clearer. People has never been clearer. People want to see us. People care about what we say. People admire what we stand for. But perhaps most importantly, people respect what we do. Far from being left what we do. Far from being left on the sidelines, we remain right at the heart of things and we should all be immensely proud of our countrys standing on the world stage. And let me explain world stage. And let me explain why and let me explain to the people who think that brexit has hindered us. Let me spell it out to the people who think our best years are behind us. And let me make it clear to those on the labour benches who want to play politics and put our country down, this government with rishi sunak at the helm, takes decisive measures and is prepared to take the tough, long term decisions for the benefit out of our country and so of course we send Emergency Rescue teams to morocco and to turkey and syria in response to those terrible earthquakes. And of course , as we evacuate those course, as we evacuate those british nationals caught up in the sudan conflict. But we also the sudan conflict. But we also say sign free trade agreements with countries around the globe. We lead by example in our unrelenting support for ukraine, and we call out russia for its heinous crimes and we sanction the brutal iranian judges who target the brave women of that country who are campaigning for nothing more than their freedoms as we have have consistently helped the worst off in the world to lift themselves out of poverty. We have consistently fought in justice wherever we see it , and we fought in justice wherever we see it, and we have fought in justice wherever we see it , and we have consistently see it, and we have consistently led the way in times of international crisis. But some international crisis. But some people ask me when they talk to me , they say, james, thats all me, they say, james, thats all well and good. Thats great. But what does Foreign Affairs matter to the british people . How does it help the people of braintree or belfast or banchory or bridgend . And. Well, it helps us bridgend . And. Well, it helps us because when we engage with our allies, old or new, we become safer and we become more prosperous as the pm gets worse, it our party gets it. You get it. Keir starmer and his crowd dont get it. It. Keir starmer and his crowd dont get it. And it. Keir starmer and his crowd dont get it. And over the last dont get it. And over the last few years , of course, we have few years, of course, we have seen an incredibly tough global circumstances , a Global Pandemic circumstances, a Global Pandemic. And as my good friend grant has just said , we are now has just said, we are now confronted with a brutal war on our own continent. But this our own continent. But this Prime Minister was prepared to take the tough, long term decisions that we needed, and we have thrived despite that, the incredibly strong economic headwinds powered by the pandemic and intense , defied and pandemic and intense, defied and amplified by the war in ukraine and because of his long term decisions , our economy is back decisions, our economy is back to pre pandemic levels and britain has recovered quicker from that pandemic than europes biggest economies. Under this biggest economies. Under this Prime Minister we have made immense progress in very little time and unlike starmer , so time and unlike starmer, so under starmer rather, labour are all talk under sunak we are about. All talk under sunak we are about. Action as i say in the about. Action as i say in the relative short time that rishi has been Prime Minister, let let us look at what we have achieved. We agreed the Windsor Framework in february. We agreed the aukus deal in march the hiroshima accord in may, and the atlantic declaration in june. We have come to agreements with europe that will help grow our economy , help stop the boats and economy, help stop the boats and make us all safer. Conference we make us all safer. Conference we should be incredibly proud of our country and incredibly proud of what we achieved in just this short period of time. And the short period of time. And the Prime Ministers leadership has allowed us to take full advantage of the Bold Decision that we collectively made in 2016. So let me give you a few facts and figures just to prove the point. Last year, Service Exports reached a record high exports reached a record high exports of goods and Services Grew by 20 in current prices and are likely to increase again this year. And we remain the second Largest Service exporter sector in the world and behind only the United States of america , which i may remind you america, which i may remind you has five times as many people as us. And today , nearly 60 of uk us. And today, nearly 60 of uk exports go to non eu countries and that is up from 52 in 2010. And the long Term Economic trend is clear and its one that we expect not just to continue, but to intensify. And thats why because we are looking at the future, because we are facing fonnard. We recently concluded fonnard. We recently concluded negotiations lions to join the comprehensive and progressive agreement for Trans Pacific partnership. Easier to say than partnership. Easier to say than than you might believe. And actually it took me longer to say it than it took for us to join it. Say it than it took for us to join it. Thats say it than it took for us to join it. Thats because we are join it. Thats because we are focussed on building our friendships , our forces and our friendships, our forces and our relationships with the indo pacific region. Its why we indo pacific region. Its why we are pushing so hard to conclude are pushing so hard to conclude a trade deal with india. An a trade deal with india. An economy forecast cost to double in size us by 2030 overtake both japan and germany to become the worlds third largest, largest economy. Me and its markets economy. Me and its markets like these that are the future and we recognise that their value to us will grow enormously. And again, whilst we have a Global Outlook , labour can Global Outlook, labour can hardly imagine the world beyond brussels. Now now the world has got used to engaging with a new independent britain to engaging with the britain that is to free forge its own destiny , free to forge its own destiny, free to ratify its own laws and free to negotiate its own trade deals , negotiate its own trade deals, and our newfound independence has enabled us to repeatedly get ahead of events, whether thats with the manufacturing of life saving vaccines , which then gave saving vaccines, which then gave us the ability to lift out of lockdown ins, or whether its the sanctioning of the russians involved in the illegal, brutal and disgusting conduct, both domestically and abroad. And yes , i am especially proud of our record when it comes to the support of the people of. Ukraine we foresaw the extent and the intensity of the price of the fight that president zelenskyy and his brave people faced in february of 2022. And i consider it a personal privilege to have done what i can to maximise International Support for that courageous country , but never courageous country, but never let anyone forget that for almost a decade now, every conservative Prime Minister has backed ukraine from training ukrainian troops after the initial invasion of crimea 2014 to standing up to putin over the poisoning in salisbury from arming ukraine orleans with the in law missile systems. When russia first initiated their full scale invasion to sanctions , aiding putin and his cronies who have facilitated the brutal izing of the ukrainian people. Izing of the ukrainian people. And lets remember for that, Prime Minister rishi sunak continued in this proud tradition with his unwavering support. He was the first first world leader to supply ukraine with nato standard main battle tank. He was the first world leader to commit to training fast jet pilots. He was the first world leader to supply the long range missiles that support those brave ukrainians. Us those brave ukrainians. Us fighting in the front line. And earlier this year, rishi sunak newark hosted the landmark ukraine recovery conference in london, where we secured billions of dollars in International Funding so that ukraine will be able to rebuild itself once they win this. Itself once they win this. War whilst i occupy this great office, ive considered the many challenges that we face as a nation. And ive contemplate charted the ways of making my department more effective at tackling those obstacles. For tackling those obstacles. For example , when it comes to example, when it comes to stopping the boats, we have and will continue to coordinate and cooperate not just across government, but with our International Allies as well. We have collaborated closely with the governments of the countries where these inhumane people smuggling gangs are based. But smuggling gangs are based. But i recognise that we need to keep going. And so today ive written to all of our ambassadors, all of our high commissioners , and of our high commissioners, and ive instructed each and every one of them to do even more work with the countries in which they represent the uk to help stop the abhorrent traffic ring of human lives across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats will redouble their effort to bring an end to this terrible, terrible injustice. Now, im terrible injustice. Now, im incredibly proud of the diplomats that i work alongside. I have no doubt that they are the best in the world, but i want to ensure that our Diplomatic Service is truly representative of the uk and unsurprisingly , i believe that unsurprisingly, i believe that those who have served our nation on the battlefield can continue to contribute beyond their tours of duty, which is why i have tasked my officials to carve out space in our Diplomatic Service for veterans , and i look fonnard for veterans, and i look fonnard to working with johnny mercer, our veterans minister, to ensure that the men and women from our armed forces , who we know are armed forces, who we know are amongst the best of us to give them the opportunity to be the best at representing the uk. And best at representing the uk. And you will forgive me, but it does make me immensely proud to offer those who have served our country with unparalleled distinction the opportunity to serve their nation once again. Serve their nation once again. Speaking of service and pride, you will know that i served as chairman of this great party dunng. Chairman of this great party during. The 2019 and i remember during. The 2019 and i remember the doomsters and the gloomsters who who predicted another Hung Parliament. They predicted an outright conservative loss or at best, modest conservative gains. And those were the people whose amazing predictions predated the most significant electoral victory of recent ti mes electoral victory of recent times and an 80 seat conservative majority party. And yet today , may i see the same yet today, may i see the same old faces, the same voices, the same old politicians making the same old politicians making the same old politicians making the same old tired predictions . And same old tired predictions . And when i look across the floor at the house of commons, i see a group of spineless ditherers devoid of answers to any of the challenges the world faces or that our country faces. And yet that our country faces. And yet there, there baying with disapproval at the tough but necessary decisions that our government has to make and where i ask myself is the leadership from their so called leader . From their so called leader . Because sir keir cant make up his mind whether he supports leaving the eu or whether he he supports remaining in the eu or rejoining the eu. He pledged to cut tuition fees in order to get elected as labour leader and then went back on his promise as soon as he became im labour leader. He resigned from corbyns cabinet. Then he rejoined corbyns cabinet. Then he campaigned to make Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister. What we see is no clarity, no consistency, no policies, no plan , only the same old, tired, plan, only the same old, tired, opportunistic politics here. Starmers labour party doesnt stand for anything. And whilst stand for anything. And whilst sir keir and his comrades represent the tired politics of the past , the represent the tired politics of the past, the Prime Minister is ready to do things differently. Ready to do things differently. And why . Because the and why . Because the conservative party believes in britains epic potential and the labour party is unwilling to take the tough decisions that will ensure the prosperity and the safety of this country for generations to come. Conference generations to come. Conference i can think of nothing more counterproductive than handing over the keys of government to a group of political chancers and visionless ideologues. It is a scenario i refuse to entertain because a party that does not believe in britain cannot be trusted to lead. It only the conservatives have a plan for the future. Only conservatives will take the tough decisions that will keep us safe and keep us prosperous. Only the conservatives will stand with pride on the world stage. The people of this great country will see that. And that is why will see that. And that is why they will vote for rishi and the conservatives at the next election. Thank you. Thank you election. Thank you. Thank you very much. Very much. Well, there we have it. James cleverly foreign secretary, the Tory Party Conference, if you just joined us, welcome. This is gb news. Just coming up to 47 minutes after 3 00. Im nana akua. He spoke remaining at akua. He spoke of remaining at the heart of things. He said. Lets explain to those who think brexit has hindered us. He said that the government thinks very serious and that we constantly in country lead the way. In this country lead the way. Rishi taking long term rishi is taking tough long term decisions him. Our decisions because of him. Our our is back to our economy is back to pre pandemic levels and recovering faster than europe. He also said we should be proud that hes achieved all of that in such a short space of time. He talked about Service Exports, which grew 20. Hes also which grew by 20. Hes also written to a load of ambassadors, he said, and high commissioners help stop human commissioners to help stop human trafficking. And decided trafficking. And hes decided that hes going to look to make sort of a lot sort of diplomats out of a lot of vets. He talks about of vets. He talks about predictions Hung Parliament predictions of a Hung Parliament when won a when Boris Johnson won in a landslide and he called the opposition spineless. Ditherers opposition spineless. Ditherers as looks across the floor in as he looks across the floor in the house of commons. And he discussed this and talks about keir starmer, and he said that keir starmer, and he said that keir starmer, and he said that keir starmer resigned when he was and then was corbyn in cabinet and then he and all this he resigned again. And all this nonsense. To to nonsense. Im going to come to you, james what did you, james schneider. What did you, james schneider. What did you that speech you feel about that speech he laid end into keir laid in at the end into keir starmer . But your overview , what starmer . But your overview, what were your thoughts . Yeah, mean , every yeah, i mean, every conference has some Conference Speech has some political knockabout where you say the other side, theyre very, very bad. But our side very, very bad. But our side very, very bad. But our side very, very bad. But our side very, very good. Our leader who brackets under a lot of brackets is under a lot of pressure and there are lots of people in that hall that dont like much. Really like him very much. Its really very, excellent. Thats very, very excellent. And thats what hes saying. I mean, in substance, slightly sorry substance, i feel slightly sorry for grant shapps got an for him. If grant shapps got an announcement, given £400 announcement, he was given £400 million to spend on forces as accommodation on James Cleverly was allowed to write a letter to diplomats to tell them to carry on doing what theyre already doing, but with more vigour. I mean, the stuff on on trade, i mean, the stuff on on trade, i mean, hes saying theres a clear vision and there isnt really a clear vision. A lot of the criticisms that he was making of starmer in terms of not having a clear idea of what policies and the direction the country could go. I think you could about the current could say that about the current government. Mean, do you think could say that about the current gmean,|ent. Mean, do you think could say that about the current gmean, rishi mean, do you think could say that about the current gmean, rishi has� an, do you think could say that about the current gmean, rishi has laidio you think could say that about the current gmean, rishi has laid outou think could say that about the current gmean, rishi has laid out his. Hink i mean, rishi has laid out his five so theres five plans, so theres five points, doesnt he . Clearly. So that is quite clearly. So that is a clear vision. Well, are all yeah. Well, those are all quite short term, but you did say that hes not i mean, the conservative party, i think, have laid out their clear five point plan as to where they and starmers five missions or starmers got five missions or whatever. But yeah but whatever. But you but yeah but i mean in terms so saying well some trade isnt were doing less trade with the eu and more trade elsewhere. Thats not saying whats our geoeconomic future , what are the industries future, what are the industries that were going to have, how are we dealing with the Energy Transition . How do we fit into the new us and china competition over supply chains . All of these very big things which are going to structure whoever is in power and the decisions that they can then make. I mean , Neither Party then make. I mean, Neither Party have any plan for any of that stuff. And James Cleverly definitely didnt give us one. There he did fumble his speech a little bit, didnt he, claire . He had a few bits where he said the opposite of what he meant, but never mind. Bless his heart. Having he did. He was having a little bit of trouble, sort of reading words loud, reading words out loud, which for part of for an mp is pretty much part of their job. For an mp is pretty much part of theirjob. But it for an mp is pretty much part of their job. But it was sort of a speech that didnt really come to much. I agree with james. I feel very sorry that he had to follow grant shapps who had a big announcement to make, and james quite obviously James Cleverly quite obviously doesnt. I do quite like the idea of veterans as being brought the diplomatic brought into the Diplomatic Service. Absolutely. I think thats a fantastic use of the resources and people that understand. But he seemed to then go on about brexit, about trade, about small boats, about everybody elses department other than his really , which is other than his really, which is a shame. Id like to know more about what the Foreign Office is going to do with china, for example, and relations with that country , middle east, libya, country, middle east, libya, palestine. An you know, there palestine. An you know, there are a lot of problems. There are an lot of things the an awful lot of things that the Foreign Office should and could be and thats be looking at. And thats what i would to more of. Not would want to hear more of. Not that written that hes just written a strongly letter to some strongly worded letter to some high commissioners and ambassadors. Uh, itjust felt ambassadors. Uh, it just felt a little bit flat. There seemed to be quite a lot of false endings as well, where you thought it was going to be over then itjust where you thought it was going to be over then it just wasnt. And he went on. Exactly, exactly. Now, i hope that this is just sort of first day and everybodys getting all their mistakes out of the way its mistakes out of the way and its going to ramp up. But unfortunate. Just unfortunate. It just feels a little the moment, little bit flat at the moment, which is unusual conference. Which is unusual for conference. Normally the first day you normally on the first day you try everybody try and get everybody interested, excited going into the the monday the evening to start the monday with a packed agenda and it with a full packed agenda and it just like its lacking a just feels like its lacking a little the moment. So from his speech then, what should what should the foreign secretary be focusing on, in your view . Because as you said, he talked bit about this, he talked a bit about this, a bit about small boats. He talked a about diplomats. Talked bit about small boats. He talked a bit about diplomats. Talked bit about small boats. He talked a bit about jeremy ats. Talked bit about small boats. He talked a bit about Jeremy Corbyn talked bit about small boats. He talked a bit about Jeremy Corbyn andzd a bit about Jeremy Corbyn and this didnt what what should this he didnt what what should their focus be . Well i think that china is a really big focus i and whats happening in the indo pacific area is of vital importance to this country. And i think that should be discussed. Think things like. But i also think things like libya and sort of in stability in the middle east needs to be right high up on the agenda. But i can appreciate that these are sort of probably quite niche subjects for a Conference Speech. But what about the speech. But what about what the g7 doing . Recently been g7 is doing . Hes recently been out a meeting. Been out at a meeting. Hes also been to istanbul meeting president erdogan. Why do we not hear about those kind of things . He about those kind of things . He obviously doesnt have a big announcement to make. So how about lets go over what he has done and what hes achieved rather than looking at everyone elses departments. James schneider with Conference Speeches. You youre either speaking to the room or youre speaking to the room or youre speaking to the country. And the thing i remember, we were always saying to our people is, remember, youre youre not really saying this to the to to the the room. Youre saying it because its going on tv. People are going to be on tv. People are going to be on tv. People are going be sitting at home and going to be sitting at home and theyre going to watch it. And that and a of that speech and quite a lot of grant shapps speech as well did feel they speaking to feel like they were speaking to the to people at home, the room, not to people at home, to say, rishi is good. Hes getting on with the job. Come on, let us get on with it. Thats our only way of winning. Rather in fact, even the way that cleverly ended the speech by british are by saying the british people are basically to come round basically going to come round and theyre going to and decide that theyre going to vote for us. Thats like trying to reassure the few thousand people room rather than people in the room rather than appeal to the millions of people sitting at home. Delivery , you know, and his delivery, you know, if we are going to sort of start picking out that it was quite mumbled grant shapps mumbled and i think grant shapps had of that as well. And had a bit of that as well. And it really of it didnt really sort of incentives wise to think, oh, incentives wise me to think, oh, conservative party really sound like theyve something that like theyve got something that i to. I want to listen to. A couple of bits, but i mean a couple of bits, but most politicians are fine at speaking, but theyre not brilliant speaking. Theyre brilliant at speaking. Theyre not rhetoricians. And not great rhetoricians. And thats that really not thats a skill that really not very many have. And throughout the conference you wont the conference season, you wont see very many speeches where you go see very many speeches where you 9 , see very many speeches where you go , oh, wow, know that i can go, oh, wow, you know that i can see people being actually moved by. And few people who by that. And the few people who can should that. Can do that should do that. And the that shouldnt the ones that cant, shouldnt because there is nothing more embarrassing as remember embarrassing as we can remember from speeches. Liz from particular speeches. Liz truss truss, example. Truss, liz truss, for example. You if they say that is you know, if they say that is a disgrace race and everyones like, no, youve, youve, you cant pull that one off. So i thought his delivery was fine. It brilliant. Thought his delivery was fine. It brilliant. He did, he it wasnt brilliant. He did, he did up a few words, but did mess up a few words, but that wasnt the main problem. The main problem is they dont seem yet to have decided what their message is for conference and therefore , whats their and therefore, whats their message that theyre going to take the next which take into the next year, which is an election if you is an Election Year . And if you dont that, ends up dont have that, then it ends up being like claire being very bitty, like claire was saying a little bit was saying, saying a little bit about theyre about what theyre doing on small about small boats, a little bit about trying do a dividing line on trying to do a dividing line on brexit, a little bit of knockabout with starmer, theres not says were not very much that says were about theyre about that. About this. Theyre about that. Thats vote for lis. Us. Us. Yeah, it was quite disappointing. Last word on it as youre not going to conference and i take it this year not ive done many, year im not ive done many, many conference and many years of conference and i and i do think that sunday is actually a really hard day for those people to come up. Youve got people arriving coming it just you need to coming in it it just you need to be able to have that message. And as james said, you should be able to plan what your messaging is , what days youre going to be is, what days youre going to be going large on whichever subject it is. And itjust going large on whichever subject it is. And it just feels a going large on whichever subject it is. And itjust feels a bit it is. And it just feels a bit at the moment is that there is this we need to build up rishi as our Prime Minister and hes doing a really good job rather than were doing for the than what were doing for the country. And i think that thats where becomes really where it becomes really difficult to take seriously. If youre not saying to the country this is what the conservative party are going to do for you, then i think that youre losing that audience feel like that audience does feel like theyre there. Theyre missing a trick there. Could little bit they could do a little bit better. Listen, schneider they could do a little bit bett also sten, schneider they could do a little bit bett also Claire Schneider they could do a little bit bett also Claire Pearsallmeider they could do a little bit bett also Claire Pearsall ,|eider they could do a little bit bett also Claire Pearsall , youer and also Claire Pearsall, you will join me for the next will just join me for the next half hour if youve just half hour or if youve just tuned just coming up to 56 tuned in, just coming up to 56 minutes after 3 00. Is gb minutes after 3 00. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua now. 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Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Im labour was mocked at the opening of the conservative Party Conference with the tory chairman waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face during his speech, suggesting the labour leader doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. Issues affecting the country. Greg hands described the opposition as a party thats incapable of running anything well while also saying the conservatives will be underdogs at the next general election. At the next general election. Who is the real sir keir starmer . The friend and starmer . The friend and supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, the puppet of tony blair, or the mouthpiece of Just Stop Oil all we do know is that he has broken every single leadership pledge and flip flopped almost 60 times in just three years. This is a man who will literally say anything that suits him at that time. His comments came just time. His comments came just hours after the Prime Minister refused to commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak said his focus is on halving inflation because it impacts the poorest, the most. Impacts the poorest, the most. On a visit to burnley, the pm insisted his approach is deeply conservative, saying its a thatcherite policy. Thatcherite policy. The best tax cut that we can deliver right now is to halve inflation. And thats something that im deeply committed to. Its the first of my five priorities. Why because thats how we can help people with the cost we just want to cost of living. We just want to put money peoples put more money in peoples pockets. Do pockets. And the best way to do that is through that right now is through halving and that is halving inflation. And that is a deeply conservative to deeply conservative approach to this. And my colleagues understand this is what understand that this is what margaret did. Margaret thatcher did. Set to be a key issue tax is set to be a key issue over the next four days, with more than 30 tory mps promising not to support the autumn statement if it contains any hikes. Shadow Health Secretary hikes. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says theyre right to question the pms tax policies, including inheritance tax. Tax. After 13 years of conservative government we end up in a position where even its own mps are having to campaign against their unfair tax policies. And i think conservative mps are quite right to say how is it that weve got the worst , to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest to say how is it that weve got the worst , highest tax to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest tax burden in 70 years . They should also be asking rishi sunak why, instead of thinking about cutting taxes for working people, hes looking to give himself another super rich people a tax break by cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. Cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. A tax people in this country. A tax cut that would earn him personally £300 million, a key part of the Windsor Framework has come into effect for Northern Ireland with a new system introduced to move products from Great Britain goods which are being transported to the eu will use a red lane which includes Customs Declarations and some checks. While those bound for Northern Ireland will use a green lane with minimal papennork and no checks. Not for eu labels will start appearing on some products in stores. Northern ireland secretary Chris Heaton Harris says hes exploring new ferry routes between the nations. Between the nations. The first stage of implementing the Windsor Framework agreement has commenced , removing barriers commenced, removing barriers that existed for Great British Great Britain based businesses to trade with Northern Ireland. This morning, bright and early i visited peel port in birkenhead to see the smooth flow of trade visited peel port in birkenhead to sngoods smooth flow of trade visited peel port in birkenhead to sngoods available ow of trade visited peel port in birkenhead to sngoods available to of trade visited peel port in birkenhead to sngoods available to travelde and goods available to travel able to travel between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Im now actually also actively exploring how we can support a new ferry route between larne and liverpool. So we can seize the moment to increase trade within the uk even further. Even further. Meanwhile, protesters have been gathering outside the conference in manchester, calling for an end to the conservative government. Some are Holding Signs reading bring down the tories and free the north. Others are protesting against the minimum Service Levels act, defending the right to strike the family of Jessica Baker have paid tribute to the teenager who was killed on the wirral. The 15 year old died wirral. The 15 year old died when her coach crashed on the m53 on friday. They say jessicas untimely death has led to a massive void in their lives. The driver also died when the coach overturned so some single use plastic items are now banned in england. Businesses can no longer sell products like plastic cutlery plates, and palestine cups, and they face fines. If they do, local fines. If they do, local authorities will be able to carry out inspections to make sure the rules are being followed. Andrew crook is followed. Andrew crook is president of the National Federation of fish friers. He says people need to be educated on how to recycle the new packaging. This is gb news packaging. 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Gb gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. But before we do all that, lets return to manchester. Were joined now by gb news deputy Political Editor tom hannood get the latest on hannood to get the latest on whats happening with the conservative Party Conference. Tom, welcome. Tom, welcome. Thank you, nana and welcome to manchester. Here we are for the Tory Party Conference, the first full day of activities here and just before you enter the exhibition hall, youre youre greeted by this enormous map of all the new constituent parties in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Here on the map, theyre all painted blue, although i think given current polling, that is unlikely to be the case after the next general election. But walk with me. Lets to exhibition lets head in to the exhibition space and lets see what is going on here at the conference, which is abuzz with activists despite that, the train strikes hashtag cpc 23 is the hashtag for the event. And just behind it, we can see some rather fetching merchandise. What is on sale for the tory faithful today . Well, lets have a little look. It is a today . Well, lets have a little look. It is a bag with Margaret Thatchers face on it, an apron with Margaret Thatchers face on it , and with Margaret Thatchers face on it, and indeed a bag with Winston Churchill on it. And a wonderful quote there. Never give in, never , never, never. Give in, never, never, never. Strangely, though , im yet to strangely, though, im yet to find any merchandise with the Prime Ministers. The current Prime Ministers. The current Prime Ministers face on it. Make of that what you will. But lets swing round now and you may well be able to see just in the distance behind me a rather splendid stand, this blazoned with union jack colours. Indeed is the gb news home for the next four days. And fear not due to deep impartiality. We will, of course have a similar stand at labours conference next week in liverpool. But here is our liverpool. But here is our rather marvellous portable studio. You might have seen Camilla Tominey show there. This morning and you can see all the bells and whistles. Oh god, i can even see my own face there. Thats a bit descant skirting discombobulating one might say, but lets swing around and have a look at our wonderful set up here, studio where here, our temporary studio where well be interviewing the most senior politicians land senior politicians in the land over the next four days, presenting shows from here presenting some shows from here as well. You might be getting used this but thats used to this view, but thats not all thats going on. Of course, theres so many different people exhibiting and its quite delightful. I think , its quite delightful. I think, in my view at least, that we are right falkland right behind the Falkland Islands stand, which is a marvellous , marvellously marvellous, marvellously evocative of 1982, i think it was when the Falkland Islands war was won, of course, by Margaret Thatcher. No doubt many conservative activists here are delighted by that. But it is remarkable to see this conference abuzz. People might think that being between 10 and 20 points behind in the polls might have dampened the mood here in manchester, but it doesnt seem so. It seems that people are abuzz. People are talking, and indeed, weve heard from some senior cabinet ministers today so far as well. But the real action, perhaps the real buzz might not be coming from the conference house theatre. I suppose, where the main speeches are happening , main speeches are happening, perhaps the real news and where people are most excited comes from the fringe events. Now these are spread out in lots of different rooms. Elsewhere aside from this central zone, but thats perhaps where the real news will happen. And where the real interest is going on. The Prime Minister himself was speaking at a local connect event only a little while ago that seemed to be very well attended or perhaps slightly better attended than some of these cabinet ministers speeches where the room has been rather empty. Rather empty. Yes. Thank you very much, tom. Thats tom hannood. Hes live there in manchester at the conservative Party Conference. Well be catching up with him throughout shall also throughout the day. I shall also be going there tomorrow as well, but im not accredited so ill be outside. It doesnt be on the outside. It doesnt matter. Apparently the best things youre with things happen there. Youre with me. Akua. Is gb me. Im nana akua. This is gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. Its fast approaching. 11 minutes after 4 00, so has inaction. Man rishi sunak sprung into action. Can he really win the general election or is he too little , too late now . The too little, too late now . The latest election polls have put labours lead to just ten points for the best part of the last yean for the best part of the last year. That lead has been some 20 points. So double. But after an unexpected win by the tories in uxbndge unexpected win by the tories in uxbridge seat originally held by bofis uxbridge seat originally held by Boris Johnson, which hinged on labour mayor sadiq khans ulez expansion , rishi sunak appears expansion, rishi sunak appears to have gotten the message net zero is net. No, no. And since zero is net. No, no. And since his push back on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and yet more softening of net zero policies, his stopping the war on the motorist rhetoric and now money for levelling up in towns could rishi have timed his comeback just right, or will the tory party do what theyve come . Weve come to see them do behave like a bad version of the apprentice and eat themselves from out. He apprentice and eat themselves from out. He has apprentice and eat themselves from out. He has also from the inside out. He has also failed to mention whether hes going continue the manchester going to continue the manchester leg given his leg of hs2, which, given his partys conference, is there all week and that manchester is not a natural home for the party, he better Start Talking on the flip flop side , people say sir keir flop side, people say sir keir starmer cannot not lose. But theres a long way to go. And what does he for stand anyway . When he ran to be leader of the labour party, he supported abolishing tuition fees , tax abolishing tuition fees, tax rises on the rich, common ownership of rail and water and free movement. When we left the eu. But it seems that sir keir starmer is so determined to win the election that hell say anything because hes flip flopped on all of that. Anything because hes flip flopped on all of that. His latest string of u turns include the abandoning of plans to spend 28 billion a year on Green Investment over fears the pledge could actually destabilise the markets. Also absurd policies, which in my view include robbing peter to pay paul, like charging vat and Business Rates on private schools in order to help fund state education. And if you can lose half your lead in a matter of months , remember neil matter of months, remember neil kinnock, 1992. Neil clearly couldnt lose then, but then he fell into the beach in a photocall and everything sort of went wrong from there. You cant lose and he lost to the greatest man in politics. John major. So can rishi turn the ship around or has the tory titanic hit the liz truss iceberg. Right. Lets liz truss iceberg. Right. Lets get started. Lets welcome again get started. Lets welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and author Christine Hamilton. I also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. I got to do it. Im going to start with you, christine, because youre a lady of politics. Youve been sort of in there. In there. I went to my first conservative conference. Are you sitting down, everybody, in 1969 . No , i was not even born. No, i was not even born. No, i was not even born. I wasnt. No. I know most people were born in 1969. Not to make you feel bad. Not to make you feel bad. Not to make you feel bad. I dont feel bad. I feel wonderful. I mean, they were fabulous. I mean , the great thing well get mean, the great thing well get on to the nitty in a minute, but i the great thing about i mean, the great thing about conferences, whatever party is that out that the people who were out there views on there representing your views on there representing your views on the etcetera, in the world stage, etcetera, in parliament are meeting up with the grassroots , the people who the grassroots, the people who deliver the leaflets, the people, the students, the student people, the students, the studenia wonderful mixing pot its a wonderful mixing pot for. And i at for people. And i was at a rather left wing university and it was such a shot in the arm to go to wherever it was. It was always the seaside. It was always the seaside. It was always brighton always blackpool or brighton or bournemouth. In those days. No, not earlier then was not bournemouth earlier then was because realised that you because you realised that you werent actually the only tory on the planet, which is uni. I used to think i was so theyre very good. But what was your question . Oh no. Question . Oh no. No, i never asked you on. On. I did ask. She did say hello to suppose im feeling to you. I suppose im feeling a bit sort of nostalgic about seeing everybody at conference. Are you going to court . Are you going to court . Absolutely not, dear god, no. No. Danny kelly got my garden. What is the question . Actually what is the question . Question. It wasnt really a question. Its about sunak. Its about sunak. Okay. Okay. Sunak is getting his rishi sunak is getting his timing right. Rishi sunak is getting his tim i |g right. Rishi sunak is getting his timi said right. Rishi sunak is getting his timi said thitht. Rishi sunak is getting his timi said this last sunday. I said this last sunday. I said this last sunday. He is going to call a snap election. I think late spring, early summer. Im going with may. And i tell hes got five tell you what, hes got five things now that people are going to ulez to resonate with. Okay, ulez hes a pop ulez, the hes having a pop at ulez, the 20 hour zone, even 20 mile an hour zone, even though really only affects though it really only affects the principality wales , its the principality of wales, its still vote winner and still a big vote winner and people are concerned about it coming areas of the coming to other areas of the United Kingdom. Echr which were going talk about and going to talk about later, and him and him stopping the dinghies and whether unilateral going whether we are unilateral going to control or to take back control or something that originally was a floated as an idea whilst the Second World War was still raging in 1941. And also i think it was i cant remember who it was, Suella Braverman or Kemi Badenoch, who said, theres no point. We cant we cant save the planet with Climate Change by bankrupting british by bankrupting the british people. I cant remember who said five very sensible. Said it. Five very sensible. Okay. Five incredibly sensible common sense statements that will resonate. Right. And common sense statements that think we are on the precipice of the run up to a snap election. The run up to a snap election. I thought you were going to say were on the precipice of a tory victory. I was about to say, i hope youre right. The trouble is the tories have spent 13 years pretending to be tories, havent they . And all theyve managed and theyve now got 12 months when they are sorry, theyve had 13 years failing to be tories. Theyve now got 12 months pretending to be tories. What people want to be tories. What people want to vote for is change. And i thought ive written down bags and those bags at the Party Conference. No mention of sunak, but there was Margaret Thatcher. Now the two big agents of change in modern history in tory leaders have been Margaret Thatcher and tony blair, and people voted for them in their droves and people are you could argue that Boris Johnson , also argue that Boris Johnson, also with his massive majority that he got there. He did. But it wasnt he wasnt such a he didnt do anything when he got there. Well, no, he didnt. I mean, tories have done mean, what the tories have done is course, prime is change. Of course, this Prime Ministers, it ministers, what have we is it five. Weve had in the last few years, but theyre going to vote for that is what for change and that is what i think. Sunak really think. If rishi sunak can really show he is the candidate show that he is the candidate for change. Yeah. Whereas at the moment people think, oh, its going to be keir starmer because weve the for so weve had the tories for so long. Think change is the long. But i think change is the key you you mentioned key and you know, you mentioned the after war, the the war. After the war, the every, every time labour got in, every, every time labour got in, every time labour got in, they ratcheted socialism up and up and up. And every time the tories got in, they never ratcheted it back. They just accepted it and went on until thatcher. Well, i want one of those bags you cant get one. Im sure you can bring me one back. A bag, a thatcher bag she wants on. I thought it was quite interesting actually, that grant shapps said that every tory leader has leader in the past ten years has supported ukraine. I thought, how many have there been . I how many have there been . I started how many there started thinking how many there were been were, which there have been quite if you just quite a few. But if you just join minutes quite a few. But if you just join 4 00. Minutes quite a few. But if you just join 4 00. This minutes quite a few. 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Sorry after 4 00, this is gb news we are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Its time now for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, should we leave the echr now . Home secretary suella now . Home secretary Suella Braverman argued in washington that the 1951 Refugee Convention is too loose and could potentially result in almost 800 Million People qualified for refugee status. Now, in a move refugee status. Now, in a move backed by number 10, she also indicated that the government could leave the European Court of human rights if it impedes the transfer of Illegal Migrants to rwanda. So for the great to rwanda. So for the Great British debate this hour , im british debate this hour, im asking should we leave the echr . Im joined now by Claire Pearsall political commentator and former conservative adviser james schneider, former adviser to Jeremy Corbyn, reem ibrahim, Communications Institute of affairs. Also Peter Edwards, affairs. Also Peter Edwards, former editor of the labour list. Im going to start with you, reem talk to me. Where are you, reem talk to me. Where are you now . Reem you look like youre at the conservative Party Conference. I am indeed at the conservative Party Conference and yes, i mean, i absolutely think that we should be leaving the ultimately be the the echr ultimately be the similar line of argument that we use brexit. If we want to use with brexit. If we want to have sovereignty in this country and we to take over many of and we want to take over many of these issues and decide them here at the in the United Kingdom, then should ensure kingdom, then we should ensure that now, many of that we do that. Now, many of the different human rights laws that are effectively there in the are already available the echr are already available in uk legislation. Many of them in uk legislation. Many of them were already there before we joined the echr. And if there is anything that we want add to anything that we want to add to uk can do that through uk law, we can do that through an if there uk law, we can do that through arthe if there uk law, we can do that through arthe electoral if there uk law, we can do that through arthe electoral will if there uk law, we can do that through arthe electoral will to f there uk law, we can do that through arthe electoral will to do lere uk law, we can do that through arthe electoral will to do so. Is the electoral will to do so. Ultimately, what we need to be doing is taking away that power from strasbourg because honestly , i think its quite ridiculous that, our uk laws are that, you know, our uk laws are then being bypassed by a European Court in strasbourg , European Court in strasbourg, and i think thats ridiculous. What need to do leave the what we need to do is leave the echr decide those things for echr and decide those things for ourselves in this country. We got the we reem havent we got the illegal migration bill . Its not illegal, unfortunately. Unfortunately were saying it, but surely that gives us powers so that we can override the echr anyway . Anyway . Absolutely. But i mean, this , this really comes down to first principles. This isnt the first principles. This isnt the first time that the echr have overridden something in the uk. Overridden something in the uk. Weve seen, you know, in the past when we were trying to capture people in afghanistan and the echr had a problem. Well, the echr effectively meant that we an issue with the that we had an issue with the way regulations around the that we had an issue with the way thategulations around the that we had an issue with the way that we|lations around the that we had an issue with the way that we captured round the that we had an issue with the way that we captured prisoners of war from the taliban. So of war from the taliban. So ultimately, i think its about looking at the history and also looking at the history and also looking towards the future. And we a European Court we dont want a European Court to jurisdiction this to have jurisdiction in this country. Should deciding country. We should be deciding these ourselves. These things for ourselves. Okay. Peter edwards , whats okay. Peter edwards, whats your view . Your view . Well, theres no public appetite for this. And to me, its a bit of a read across from brexit. And i you know, i voted remain, but i accept the result. Absolutely. But theres certain people who people on the brexit, right, who will be satisfied and want will never be satisfied and want to deliver britain further and further levels of isolation way beyond anything that even Margaret Thatcher, their spiritual godmother , would have wanted. And its a sign really of certain cabinet ministers playing for the tory, right . In the month or two before conference because they fear there could be a leadership election a general election after a general election after a general election so i think election defeat. So i think its inward in the inward looking in the conservative. Conservative party. Its not necessary. I i think its not necessary. I think theres no public appetite for it. And in about 20 years of campaigning for labour in all types of seats, its never come up doorstep once. Up on a doorstep once. Interesting. Well go to you interesting. Well go to you Claire Pearsall. No, we shouldnt. Claire pearsall. No, we shouldnt. The echr is no, we shouldnt. The echr is there for many different reasons. Its not just there to thwart the will of the home secretary. The will of the home secretary. See, when you look at whats happening with Northern Ireland and the Peace Process that has gone on over there and the good friday belfast agreement , its friday belfast agreement, its if we leave the echr , we are if we leave the echr, we are then breach of that. And then in breach of that. And where does that leave the island of ireland and Northern Ireland themselves . Think are themselves . So i think there are much more new honest positions that you can take. It seems that you can take. And it seems a little bit of a knee jerk reaction say solve one reaction to say to solve one problem, pull us out of problem, you pull us out of something we were the something which we were the original signatory of. So i think need little bit think that you need a little bit more thought in all of this. And i dont agree necessarily with peter that there isnt the will for it. I think there is. But i also think theres also dont think theres necessarily understanding necessarily the understanding of what mean, i think, what it would mean, i think, because there is a lot of things that of the of that some of the sort of trans rights things that we if we rights and things that we if we did leave, then we dont actually the right actually have the right legislation ourselves. Are things within the there are things within the echr that actually protect us from ourselves. James schneider yeah, the echr , which britain yeah, the echr, which britain was part of writing in the first place, and its european in the sense that britain is part of europe as a as a continent, and its the council of europe, not the European Union. And its a good document which guarantees us good things like right to like the right to life, to liberty and security , i. E. The liberty and security, i. E. The prohibition of torture and slavery, the right to fair trial. But we all have that anyway, though we could do that anyway. And it provides an extra level of security. So, for example, of security. So, for example, the right privacy is in there the right to privacy is in there now , governments are often now, governments are often pretty bad at respecting the right to privacy of their citizens to have some other body that can oversee that, that you can appeal to is a is a sensible safeguard. And it guarantees it secures our our rights. So in order to send a few people to rwanda, they want to reduce the rights of everybody in the uk. Its a very bad idea. Its a very bad idea. Okay, but but people might argue that there are other elements actually we elements in it. And actually we wanted sovereignty. We wanted to take laws and take control of our own laws and actually having external actually having an external court overriding things in this country actually a good look. Its a court that were part of. Yes. And you know, wanting sovereignty doesnt mean that youre not going to be part of international agreements. The international agreements. So the brexit is generally brexit support is generally trumpet the tpp that signed this trade deal, the Trans Pacific partnership, which gives corporate nations rights to sue britain for democratic decisions that we take about our regulations and about our taxes. Now sovereignty is something that we have and we enter into international agreements, and thats normal. And thats right. And that in the case of the echr , that it secures our freedoms and guarantees our rights. Read i mean, ultimately its about its not about trying to send people to rwanda. Its not about immigration. This is this particular issue at the moment. But when were looking at the wider history of the echr and the way in which it is implemented, different policies and different regulations in this country that we might have not wanted , its also slowed not wanted, its also slowed things down. I mean , i use the things down. I mean, i use the example of when we were trying to capture prisoners of war in afghanistan taliban. Afghanistan from the taliban. But there been countless but there have been countless other examples where the echr have gotten the way the have gotten in the way of the united ultimately we United Kingdom. Ultimately we want to deciding these laws want to be deciding these laws and these regulations for ourselves. It shouldnt be ourselves. It shouldnt be decided by European Court , and a decided by European Court, and a european certainly European Court should certainly not have jurisdiction in this country. I completely country. Now i completely understand the idea behind the right privacy or the right to right to privacy or the right to a trial. Those things were a fair trial. Those things were already in law the united already in law in the United Kingdom before we signed to kingdom before we signed up to the echr. So i think its the echr. So i think its important to remember we important to remember that we can have many or all of can have any many or all of these types of human these different types of human rights in this rights legislation in this country through british law. When there is the political will to do well, exactly, peter. When there is the political will to listeningl, exactly, peter. When there is the political will to listeningl, that, y, peter. When there is the political will to listeningl, that, theres. When there is the political will to listeningl, that, theres no listening to that, theres no reason why cant in reason why we cant put in things that in the echr in things that are in the echr in our own legislation actually our own legislation and actually some cover us anyway. Some of it does cover us anyway. So surely it wouldnt really matter if we just decided to just be completely sovereign and get thing altogether i well, thats exactly the same argument used about brexit. B rexit. Brexit. Oh, we can just be completely sovereign get and there sovereign and get out. And there are relatively few people who think brexit has been absolutely fine problem free, fine and problem free, particularly if you live in Northern Ireland, as reem said. And i think we can all accept, you know, britain is intelligent and clever enough and robust enough for itself. Enough to legislate for itself. And things go back and some of these things go back to the 19th or magna to the 19th century or magna carta. Well echr. But carta. So well before echr. But really , do we want to keep really, do we want to keep cutting ourselves off from every other part of the world as part of an ideological crusade to be truly british, whatever that means . You know, theres nothing wrong with having partnerships with your fellow countries and the idea that with your an island , youre an island nation island, youre an island nation , youve just had brexit, youve got quite sclerotic levels of economic productivity that you dont want to pull out of a few more conventions, particularly dnven more conventions, particularly driven by a tory leadership hustings that might take place in the future to me seems entirely impractical. Entirely impractical. Okay. So peter, how would you feel if somebody who lived in the house next door decided to overrule what youre doing in your house . I mean, thats probably how people see it. Would you would be okay . Would you would that be okay . Afraid thats a very im afraid thats a very imperfect analogy because i dont own any house. Actually, peter, i dont own any of the house next door and they dont own any of mine. And i have no right to. It was james alluded to earlier. Court is different. Its an idea of pooled sovereignty with british representation amongst many other nations. Other nations. Yeah, well okay, thats great. All right. So lets lets just run through this again. So, claire, should we leave the echr . Yes. Or no . No, we shouldnt. James snyder. Yes or no . No. No. Peter edwards no. And reem Peter Edwards no. And reem ibrahim absolutely we should. Absolutely we should. Right. Well, thank you so much for your thoughts. Peter edwards , reem thoughts. Peter edwards, reem ibrahim Claire Pearsall and also james snyder. Thank you much james snyder. Thank you so much for thats just a little for that. Thats just a little red see what he had to red herring. See what he had to say for what do you think . Say for that. What do you think . Lets look youve lets have a look at what youve been saying actually earlier, lets have a look at what youve been sajhg actually earlier, lets have a look at what youve been sajl spokeially earlier, lets have a look at what youve been sajl spokeially e rishi because i spoke about rishi sunak and whether i thought he could monologue. And could win my monologue. And dennis red, blue, dennis says, nana red, blue, red, blue. Nothing ever changed. Same lies, rhetoric and excuses. The nation of ours is a completely brand new brand of politics. Yellow, perhaps . No i dont think so. Margaret says. Dont think so. Margaret says. So far, both speakers shown today from tory ministers are very disappointing. Neither has any fire in their bellies and theyve been very unconvincing. Yeah, im afraid i have to agree with that. It was completely dull. David says stop the boats and win the votes. I like that. The tories should take that , the tories should take that, shouldnt will the shouldnt they . Or will the labour that . Maybe labour party hear that . Maybe keir hear and keir starmer will hear that and try then would he be try that. But then would he be flip did he say he flip flopping . Did he say he wanted to the boats . Wanted to stop the boats . I dont even he youre dont even think he knows youre with nana this is with me. Im nana akua this is gb online and on gb news on tv online and on Digital Radio. After the break, well great well continue with the Great British and british debate this hour. And im we leave the im asking, should we leave the echr . Hear the thoughts im asking, should we leave the ec my hear the thoughts im asking, should we leave the ec my panel hear the thoughts im asking, should we leave the ec my panel broadcastthoughts im asking, should we leave the ec my panel broadcastthougauthor of my panel broadcast and author christine also Christine Hamilton also broadcast journalist broadcast on journalist danny kelly. Lets get to kelly. But first, lets get to your News Headlines with your latest News Headlines with lisa hartle. Lisa hartle. Its 432. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Labour was mocked at the opening of the conservative Party Conference with the tory chairman waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face during his speech, suggesting the labour leader doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. Greg hands described the opposition as a party thats incapable of running anything well while also saying the conservatives will be underdogs at the next general election. 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And in a move backed by number 10, she also indicate that the government could leave the European Court of human rights if it impedes the transfer of Illegal Migrants to rwanda. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking should we leave the lets should we leave the echr . Lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined now by broadcaster and author Christine Hamilton and author Christine Hamilton and broadcaster and and also broadcaster and journalist kelly. Im journalist danny kelly. Im going to come to danny going to come to you, danny kelly, first. Hello, boy. Kelly, first. Hello, danny boy. Echr i think we should the European Court of human rights. I think we should. It was set up well, the idea was floated in the 40s Winston Churchill whilst war across war was still ravaging across mainland rest of mainland europe and the rest of the it a hindrance or the world. Is it a hindrance or is it help us . At the moment, is it help to us . At the moment, in 2023, we heard some some scare stories from your panellists before the news. We were it suggested we were it was suggested that we wont any Civil Liberties wont have any Civil Liberties or right privacy and our or right to privacy and our right to a fair trial of course we can draft in legislation. Weve already got it. But if we want to, can match want to, we can match the legislation. Saying legislation. Peter was saying that not on public that its not on the public conscience. Of conscience. In 20 years of knocking on, on doors, knocking on, on, on doors, canvassing labour, no one canvassing for labour, no one had it up. Well, had ever brought it up. Well, the peter, is that the reason being peter, is that it current and it wasnt it wasnt current and it wasnt it wasnt current and it wasnt it factor. You know, it wasnt a factor. You know, its actually stopping the government out their government carrying out their policy. Thats why no one policy. So thats why no one mentioned it. So should we leave it . It means us putting it . Well, if it means us putting people on on a plane to rwanda, a country. Now, dont a safe country. Now, dont forget, appeals has forget, the Appeals Court has deemed unsafe country. Deemed rwanda an unsafe country. Rwanda have a returns rwanda doesnt have a returns policy, by the way, with any of the countries where these these these unfortunate people come the countries where these these these so fortunate people come the countries where these these these so fo suggest eople come the countries where these these these so fo suggest eopwith wme the countries where these these these so fo suggest eopwith the from. So i suggest im with the lady on the panel. I think the ladys name was yeah, ladys name was reem. Yeah, i think were great country. Think were a great country. I think were a great country. I think were a great country. I think were perfectly capable. I dont Northern Ireland is dont think Northern Ireland is going combust. Think were going to combust. I think were perfectly capable of drafting a legislation matching the legislation that we want. We think is good a fit for the think is good and a fit for the uk autonomous. I uk and being autonomous. So i think so. Well, our own worst well, were our own worst enemies, though, arent we . I mean, in all of this, christine, i cant disagree with anything danny just said. Danny has just said. The idea that we, the and the idea that we, the british, goodness sake, are british, for goodness sake, are not of protecting human not capable of protecting human rights is a frankly a massive insult. And yes, after the war, insult. And yes, after the war, there were countries who needed to have an overriding body to protect human rights in their country. But frankly, its never really had to apply to us. There has been some tinkering around the edges the echr has made the edges and the echr has made some which have some judgements which have caused us to slightly change things, but basically anything in that. The things, but basically anything in that. The echr can in that in that. The echr can do, we can do better and we are already doing better. And i already doing better. And i think its an absolute i cannot understand how any red blooded brit is prepared to allow unelected european judges to make decisions for us. I mean, thatis make decisions for us. I mean, that is one of the big reasons that is one of the big reasons that brexit was all about. We simply dont need it. But the echr isnt sort of part of the eu, is it . No, no, its not the continent of europe. Yeah, of course i understand that. But no, but you talked about. Well, i did make sure that realise the emotions that people realise the emotions involved are all the same. We wanted leave the european wanted to leave the European Union thats the same union and thats the same emotion that makes me anyway want to. No, not. Not. Lets not speak for anybody else. Leave the echr. We simply dont need the echr. We simply dont need to be narrowly stated by a unelected people. The idea that they can over i mean we thought you mentioned that the Appeals Court voted against. We dont really elect our judges anyway, do we . So if you went to court, the people who would decide, you know, yes. And these judges from all these are judges from all different in europe, Different Countries in europe, i think 47 judges. And think theres 47 judges. And they have so its like a court basically that people can go to if they dont get the judgement they in this country. They want in this country. But but fundamental but the fundamental difference is country, is that in this country, parliament is sovereign and the judges overrule primary legislation. Judges are there to interpret the law made by parliament and in the continental system is that the judges can make the law. Thats, i think, the big difference. So the sooner we get out, i mean, the court of appeal said no to rwanda and were waiting for the Supreme Court. If supreme says yes to if the Supreme Court says yes to rwanda , well good. But rwanda, all well and good. But if say no, as i suspect if they say no, as i suspect they might , then if they say they might, then if they say yes, sorry, then all that will happenis yes, sorry, then all that will happen is itll go to the European Court. I mean, why should our judges be overridden . Time well, what about our illegal bill, though . Time well, what about our illegawe bill, though . Time well, what about our illegawe have bill, though . Time well, what about our illegawe have somel, though . Time well, what about our illegawe have some legislation dont we have some legislation in that will that in that that will mean that we can simply override what strasbourg what we strasbourg say and do what we want anyway . No. And if were in the echr, no. And if were in the echr, they sovereign, which they are sovereign, which to me is to, i think the test is anathema to, i think the test of that nana the question you just posed was when at the 11th houn just posed was when at the 11th hour, an anonymous , an unnamed. Hour, an anonymous, an unnamed. European court of human rights judge, we still dont know who it was, but they grounded the flights hour. Flights at the 11th hour. The government is trying so the government is trying allegedly from, i think, azerbaijan. Government azerbaijan. The government is trying the dinghies trying to stop the dinghies coming over 40 50,000 people coming over 40 or 50,000 people on dinghies came over this year. Okay. Now its getting into winter. That number will decrease significantly. If not, stop. If you want to stop, if stop. So if you want to stop, if you want to try to do something to stop what seems to be unfettered access over the channel dinghy with people channel by dinghy with people who are undocumented, generally speaking, who potentially , i speaking, who potentially, i would argue majority of them are economic migrants, generally speaking , i dont think thats speaking, i dont think thats an uncommon opinion. Then if you want the government to try and succeed, stop mass succeed, to stop this mass immigration, illegal immigration, illegal immigration, then the government are pinning on the are pinning everything on the flights rwanda. Now, if there flights to rwanda. Now, if there is an obstacle to that, then the government needs to think about National Autonomy and unilaterally do something. About unilaterally do something. About it. And if that means ditching the echr and i think we can all agree, no, there is no threat to life. There is no threat to civil liberty. There is no threat to a free press or no threat to a free press or no threat to a proper trial like the scaremongering before the news. And i think that we should trust and have confidence in our in our own government, no matter what government, what colour government, whether its its or its yellow, whether its red or whether its blue. Suella braverman did talk and Suella Braverman did talk about European Convention of about the European Convention of the Refugee Convention. So and basically saying that the laws there seem quite old now. So there seem quite old now. So there needs to be sort of revamped to be accommodating todays situation. I think she makes a good point. Things have changed. 1941, this idea , this idea was this idea, this idea was floated. One of the proponents was sir Winston Churchill. In 1948, sir Winston Churchill once again. And it was signed in 1951 and enacted in 1953. There are people listening who are in their 70s and 80s when they were children , that this was my children, that this was my father, whos 90. He was two years old when winston 3 or 4 years old when winston 3 or 4 years old, when Winston Churchill floated this idea. And it wasnt wasnt it and it wasnt it wasnt it was i got my maths wrong. No, because he born in no, because he was born in 1933. He was years 1933. He was he was eight years old. 1933. He was he was eight years old wow. So he will remember it. Wow. So he will remember it. And it wasnt enacted for our benefit. Werent the country. Benefit. We werent the country. One the countries that was one of the countries that was thought to need it. Were at we were at war. We were at war. Yeah. Yeah. Ravaging around europe and the thats thats why it the world. Thats thats why it was into place. The world. Thats thats why it wassort into place. The world. Thats thats why it wassort of o place. The world. Thats thats why it wassort of are. Ace. The world. Thats thats why it wassort of are. Acnwar again. Sort of are at war again. Sort of are at war again. War in 1951. But 1941. War in 1951. No, but in 1941. But it was enacted, we had but when it was enacted, we had won the war. Hooray. Correct. Nightmares of what won the war. Hooray. Correct. Happened|htmares of what won the war. Hooray. Correct. Happened was ares of what won the war. Hooray. Correct. Happened was whatnf what won the war. Hooray. Correct. Happened was what the1at had happened was what the driving force about enacting, of course. But in my view, we were the good guys. Of course we didnt need it. No, thats not put in place for the benefit of other countries who did need a certain amount of guidance. Think suella yeah, i think Suella Braverman there are braverman has a point. There are all laws and old sort all these old laws and old sort of things that weve constructed that then. Even that were relevant then. Even the is another the eu, which is another construct created then construct that was created then and number and actually now with the number of it and the of countries joining it and the echr with the change in demographic and the people demographic and the way people are moving, just dont are moving, its just i dont think relevant. Think its relevant. 70 years old, needs 70 years old, it needs adjusting. Adjusting. Well, lets see what the viewers because viewers are saying, because the show them. Show is nothing without them. Lets welcome our Great British voices be voices their opportunity to be on tell us what on the show and tell us what they about the topics they think about the topics were i think we can were discussing. I think we can go albans. To go over to saint albans. Im to going chat jackie going have a chat with jackie sampson. Shes great sampson. Shes my Great British voice should voice this hour. Jackie, should we echr . There seems we leave the echr . There seems to people saying we to be a lot of people saying we should shouldnt, these should we shouldnt, but these guys what guys are saying we should. What do think . Guys are saying we should. What do oh, think . Guys are saying we should. What do oh, ilink . Guys are saying we should. What do oh, i can guys are saying we should. What do oh, i can understand the oh, i can understand the reservation about leaving, but if got to a point where our if its got to a point where our laws that we make by our elected officials are overridden or thwarted by an outside country , thwarted by an outside country, then its really not on in that case, we should leave. If we cant make our laws and bring them into being and i think Suella Braverman i agree with the panel on what you said. She made some good points that not only the echr is was set up many years ago, but the un refugee definition was based on a world it was 70 years ago and the world has changed and we have a problem in europe and in the uk and in the us with with unfettered illegal immigration and dont want the i dont know what the answer is, but its bigger than its not just about immigration and refugees because how many are genuine how many of them are genuine refugees . I mean, if you are refugees . I mean, if you are escaping horrible escaping these horrible conditions, would want to conditions, you would want to get away from your that wherever you want to escape from. So why do you cherry pick where you go to . Its not about that. To . But its not about that. Its making our laws its about us making our laws and not having an outside country or organisation saying we cant do it. That was my point to Peter Edwards all along. You cant have somebody coming into your house telling you what to do house and telling you what to do. That point. Thank. That was my point. Thank you very sampson. Very much. Jackie sampson. He laughed he wouldnt laughed it off, but he wouldnt have wouldnt have me or laughed it off, but he wouldnt hav neighbour uldnt have me or laughed it off, but he wouldnt hav neighbour cominglave me or laughed it off, but he wouldnt hav neighbour coming in� e me or laughed it off, but he wouldnt hav neighbour coming in ande or his neighbour coming in and telling what to do. Telling him what to do. Thought was a fair i thought that was a fair analogy. I think was. I think it was. I think it was. Think was i think peter was was dismissive of your very decent analogy. Was. Let him get it was. But i let him get away it because, you know, away with it because, you know, sometimes its peter. Hes lovely hes a lovely guy. Hes a lovely guy. Hes a lovely guy. Hes good egg. Hes a good egg. Hes a good egg. Hes a good egg. He but with analogies. He is. But with analogies. He is. But with analogies. But hes a nice guy. But hes a nice guy. Hes just left wing. Hes just left wing. Hes just got all the wrong views, thats all youre me. Nana me. m me. M this is gb im nana akua. This is gb news now coming up the news is now coming up in the next hour. My Great British debate. Can rishi debate. Im asking can rishi sunak resurrect the partys sunak resurrect the tory partys fortunes . Up next, though, its world the latest world view as we get the latest on going on in the and on whats going on in the us and russia good afternoon. 52 minutes after 4 00. If youve just tuned in, where on earth have you been . Where on earth have you been . This is gb news, where the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Its time, though, for world view and now former russian president Dmitri Medvedev suggested that british soldiers training ukrainian troops in ukraine would be legitimate targets for russian forces. So joining me to talk about russia is russian journalist alexei v. Of course, we had the speech there earlier with grant shapps. So alexei, what was the response then to grant shapps speech . Well none of these speech . Well none of these idiots are active pushing us towards the world war three. And dont take my word for it, because these are not my words. These are the words of mr medvedev , russias former medvedev, russias former liberal president , who has now become one of the most hawkish voices inside the kremlin. And while im not old enough to remember, unlike politicians in the kremlin, but this is very reminiscent of the cold war rhetoric at the same time, this is really nothing new, because while under the auspices of the british led operation , british led operation, interflex, some 20,000 ukrainian troops have been trained. So the troops have been trained. So the only difference here is that now those Training Camps will be located not on the british territory, but in ukraine, which well , as youve mentioned now, well, as youve mentioned now, russia will consider those Training Camps and possible military factories if they are going to build some under the british auspices. Russia will consider them as legitimate targets. And as usual, russia might come up with some asymmetric response. So well have to see to find out, because thatis have to see to find out, because that is britain putting their troops on the ground and actually getting involved in the war in a sense, even though theyre just training . I cant see how they wouldnt fight had alexi, fight if they had to. Alexi, thank very much. Good thank you very much. Its good to get update. Thank you. To get an update. Thank you. Hes there in russia, right . Should over the should we travel over to the united have a chat United States and have a chat with duddridge . Hes with Paul Duddridge . Hes the host politics people host of the politics people podcast. Thats on the podcast. Thats right. So on the menu at top the list, menu at the top of the list, trump , hes stripped of his trump, hes stripped of his Business Licence in york. Oh Business Licence in new york. Oh hes stripped of his Business Licence is this bad because hes got hes got properties there. Surely he could have them taken off him. Thats whats just happened. Its very , very bad indeed its very, very bad indeed for donald trump. For donald trump. Look, somebody in the United States doesnt like donald trump and hes trying attempt and hes trying to attempt to take his power, his take either his power, his voice, his money off him and to control it. His little bully. In another case, this week, it was found a judge ruled that trump had exercised fraud and therefore or removed his Business Licences now, its going to be appealed this week, but this is truly unprecedented and this has been tried before for with various shenanigans in new york law. But its actually not gone this far andits its actually not gone this far and its not been this extreme. Basically, his properties are to be handed to a third party, receive over basically bankruptcy. And so we ended up bankruptcy. And so we ended up with a judge this week claiming that donald trump has committed fraud. They started citing the Marx Brothers movies as theres a line in a Marx Brothers. So basically, in short , trump is basically, in short, trump is being accused of when it comes to borrow money for his properties. He says theyre worth a billion when it comes to pay worth a billion when it comes to pay taxes on them. He says theyre worth 100,000. Okay thats really what the nub of the fraud is, is that he overestimates and underestimates when it suits him. And the judge cited the Marx Brothers saying , cited the Marx Brothers saying, who are you going to believe . You or who are you going to believe, me your own eyes . So believe, me or your own eyes . So this theyre this was actually theyre actually quoting the Marx Brothers. Now, in cases trying to pile stuff on to donald trump. But this is really this is the most serious thing thats happened because this would tie up his money, his ability to actually function and campaign. Actually function and campaign. This along with a gag order thats being requested that was on. So this was tuesday. This happened on friday. This prosecutor tutor for the for the january the 6th stuff wants a 939 january the 6th stuff wants a gag order on him so that he wont even be able to campaign properly over the coming months. I mean, it is somebody up there doesnt like him. This is this is very bad. I mean, this isnt this this is honestly something that is like a movie for him. But how a horror movie for him. But how is it affecting his polling . Is it affecting his polling . Oh, its having a wonderful effect on the polling. Its he there was there was this is the great thing. There was a debate great thing. There was a debate this week, a legitimate debate. All the other republican primary candidates, they they had a debate and i think it was vivek maybe won it anyway. It doesnt maybe won it anyway. It doesnt really matter who won it. Trump won it. They basically he wasnt even present. And when they polled who was the winner of the debate, it was trump. Again, it was its irrelevant what is happening. I think desantis might have won, its might have won, but its all everything a sideshow. Everything else is a sideshow. His this is not about his polling this is not about politics. Ive said this all along. This is not about politics. This is a fundamental we are nearer a revolution or a civil war than we are a political campaign. And thats whats going on in the United States. So the more they throw at him, the greater his support. And im not trying to be inflammatory im inflammatory with that. Im telling you, this stuff just doesnt register and the Political Class doesnt understand stuff not understand why is this stuff not registering . We keep pointing out person he is out what a terrible person he is because he doesnt us because he doesnt respect us and like, yeah, we and its just like, yeah, we dont doesnt dont care that he doesnt respect we care that respect you. We dont care that he game. So he doesnt play the game. So its increasing his support i oh, well, the people dont respect this to respect the people doing this to him. Give him. So, you know, if you give me give choice theyd me give them the choice theyd choose. Trump what about what effect, could robert effect, though, could Robert Kennedy it kennedy jr have . Because it looks might running looks like he might be running as an independent. That as an independent. And is that good trump is bad . Very good news. Very good news. You know, ive been news. Look, you know, ive been pessimistic trumps, pessimistic about trumps, uh, trumps in 2024 because trumps chances in 2024 because its going to come down to six states finally , only Robert States finally, only Robert Kennedy jr, who youve had on rfk, as they call him, youve had on there interviewed. Hes had on there interviewed. Hes now giving up on the democrat party. Its not official yet, but it looks like on the 9th of october, hes going to announce running as an independent. And the only needs the point is he only needs to take few points off democrats take a few points off democrats who for trump, but who wouldnt vote for trump, but they dont like biden. They dont democrat machine. Dont like the democrat machine. He needs to take he only needs to take a few percentage and we have Percentage Points and we have a legitimate Party Candidate Percentage Points and we have a legitirand Party Candidate Percentage Points and we have a legitirand then Party Candidate Percentage Points and we have a legitirand then youllcandidate Percentage Points and we have a legitirand then youll seeiidate Percentage Points and we have a legitirand then youll see trump there. And then youll see trump finally actually in a position to win. And im wondering if that were the discussions between trumps team and our team rfk , because people team and rfk, because people were about maybe rfk were talking about maybe rfk would as vice president. Would run as his vice president. Candy and its like looks candy and its like it looks like the backroom discussions may been no runners in may have been no runners in independent and split the split the that would make it the vote. And that would make it very for democrat very difficult for any democrat to trump then. Yeah, but to beat trump then. Yeah, but what about, though, Barack Obamas . Obamas . If she if she ran, that might change things. I want to ask you, would that. No, not even you, would that. No, not even her, michelle obama. I dont her, not michelle obama. I dont think so. If theres a third theres think so. 1legitimate a third theres think so. legitimate third rd theres a legitimate third Party Candidate, its what candidate, remember, its what lost senior the lost george bush senior the election because there was a third thats what got third party. Thats what got bill office the bill clinton into office in the first because a third first place, because a third party came in and Party Candidate came in and knocked incumbent president out. Listen, ive got about 20s, so i want to hear about Meghan Markles because senator so i want to hear about Meghan Marklefeinstein,ecause senator so i want to hear about Meghan Markle feinstein, ecaus died ator so i want to hear about Meghan Marklefeinstein,ecaus died so r dianne feinstein, shes died so does that mean theres a space and do they somebody else . And do they need somebody else . The space they need somebody else. Shes got no chance. Its decided the governor. Shes decided by the governor. Shes got leverage with him at all. Got no leverage with him at all. Anybody thats telling you that meghan going to be Meghan Markle is going to be senator california is pie in senator for california is pie in the sky. But its nice little the sky. But its a nice little post season story. But no, post silly season story. But no, its not going happen. Its not going to happen. No, dont think so. No, i dont think so. I thought it was a bit ludicrous. An interesting suggestion. Paul duddridge, pleasure. Duddridge, always a pleasure. Thank much. Thats paul thank you very much. Thats Paul Duddridge. The duddridge. Hes the host of the politics is politics people podcast. This is gb online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital to come in Digital Radio. More to come in the hour. Digital radio. More to come in the hour. It is the next hour. It is 5 00. Welcome on board. Im nana akua for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. Coming up, though, its this weeks outside my loving mystery guest my maths loving mystery guest will shortly. Will be revealed very shortly. Have you worked out who he is . And for the Great British and then for the Great British debate this hour, im asking, can resurrect at the can rishi sunak resurrect at the tory fortunes . But tory partys fortunes . But first, lets get your latest News Headlines with hartman News Headlines with lisa hartman. Good afternoon. Its 5 00. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. The government have promised to increase efforts to stop Illegal Migrants from entering the country with the foreign secretary addressing the foreign secretary addressing the crisis at the conservative Party Conference. More than 537 people were intercepted trying to cross the channel yesterday , to cross the channel yesterday, bringing the total for number the year to almost 25,000. James cleverly told the Party Faithful his department is working with International Allies to stop the boats. Boats. Ive written to all of our ambassadors , all of our high ambassadors, all of our high commissioners and ive instructed each and every one of them to do even more work with them to do even more work with the countries in which they represent the uk to help stop the abhorrent trafficking of human life across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats will redouble their effort to bring an end to this terrible , an end to this terrible, terrible injustice. Terrible injustice. Eliot, the Tory Party Chairman used his opening address to take a swipe at laboun address to take a swipe at labour. I have these available at the conservative shop outside for just £16. 99. Also online at conservatives. Com waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face. Greg hands mocked the labour leader, suggesting he doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. He described the opposition as a party thats incapable of running anything well while also saying the conservatives will be underdogs at the next general election. Election. Who is the real sir keir starmer, the friend and supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, the puppet of tony blair, or the mouthpiece of Just Stop Oil . All we do know is that he has broken every single leadership pledge and flip flopped almost 60 times in just three years. This is a man who will literally say anything that suits him at that time. His comments came just time. His comments came just hours after the Prime Minister refused to commit to tax cuts. Refused to commit to tax cuts. Rishi sunak said his focus is on halving inflation because it impacts the poorest, the most. Impacts the poorest, the most. On a visit to burnley, the pm insisted his approach is deeply conservative, saying its a thatcherite policy , the best tax thatcherite policy, the best tax cut that we can deliver right now is to halve inflation and thats something that im deeply committed to. Committed to. Its the first of my five priorities. Why . Because thats how we can people the how we can help people with the cost we want cost of living. We just want to put money peoples put more money in peoples pockets way to do pockets. And the best way to do that now is through that right now is through halving and that is halving inflation. And that is a deeply conservative approach to this. And my colleagues understand is what understand that this is what Margaret Thatcher did. Is set to be a key issue tax is set to be a key issue over the next four days, with more than 30 tory mps promising not to support the autumn statement if it contains any hikes. Shadow Health Secretary hikes. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting says theyre right to question the pms tax policies, including inheritance tax. Tax. After 13 years of conservative government we end up in a position where even its own mps are having to campaign against their unfair tax policies. And i think conservative mps are quite right to say how is it that weve got the worst , to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest to say how is it that weve got the worst , highest tax to say how is it that weve got the worst, highest tax burden in 70 years . They should also be asking rishi sunak why, instead of thinking about cutting taxes for working people, hes looking to give himself another super rich people a tax break by cutting a tax that affects 4 of people in this country. A tax cut that would earn him personally £300 million. The family of a teenager who was killed in a bus crash on the wirral say her death has left a massive void in their lives. Massive void in their lives. 15 year old Jessica Baker was killed when her school coach hit a reserve on the m50 three on friday. Her head teacher described her as unequivocally kind and empathetic. The driver, stephen shrimpton, also died when the bus overturned. A key when the bus overturned. 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So every sunday at 5 00 im joined by a celebrity , a former mp of celebrity, a former mp of someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. We talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. And this my the outside. And this week my very, special guest now very, very special guest now hes most well known many hes most well known to many over his time as a presenter on a popular Childrens Television show. Now hes a big, big fan of show. Now hes a big, big fan of maths. Hes also for maths. Hes also known for making the subject fun, not the only, not the only well known personality and his family of course, because both his daughter and grandson are now very popular presenters. In 2000, he toured in a government sponsored programme, tale of maths and legends. And are you sensing this theme . But over 17 years, my mystery guests successfully performed as a stand up comedian. Im very pleased to say that Television Presenter and legend johnny ball joins me now. Hello. Hello. Nice joins me now. Hello. Hello. Nice to see you. Crikey nice to see anybody when youre my age , anybody when youre my age, really know you have had quite an incredible career, havent you . Because youve been literally in the spotlight. Literally in the spotlight. Yeah. Pretty much all your life. So talk to me about your beginnings into the sort of whole theatrical business and everything that youve. I decided when i was 11, i wanted to be a comedian. I thought i couldnt think of a nicer to make people nicer thing than to make people laugh. What wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. What wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. But what wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. But when what wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. But when ihat wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. But when i was wanted nicer thing than to make people la|be. But when i was four, ted to be. But when i was four, i said i wanted to be a drummer and i became a drummer in the 16. But when i was 16, i said, im going writer, right . Im going to be a writer, right . So on and so we all carried on and i became all of them. I did them all. So i was a comic for 17 years out of liverpool and a lovely time , a really fabulous lovely time, a really fabulous time. I didnt make it to the top, but in a way its because i didnt want to. It wasnt the way i wanted to go. And if eventually i found that i could involve maths. Sorry yeah, maths , but also with humour. And i got my think of a number show now going on bbc and it was tremendous. It changed my life. So i wrote my first factual Information Programme when i was 39 and thats when that career started and so ive had an incredible life and its just so happens that my auto biography will be out early next year and the first half will be and the first half will be called my previous life in comedy and this year with zoe, we did a show in london at theatre for an invited audience, really a 350 people to try it out. My previous life in try it out. My previous life in comedy and they, they, they pulled slightly, stood and applauded for about ten minutes aftennards. So thats good. When i publish, i want to put that out as well. But what i want to tell people is im still working and im 85 and im fit as a fiddle. And because of that, ive got to cash that in and i want to work and i want to be. So im still doing schools. I was talking to scouts on friday, a freebie , but an hour, an hour a freebie, but an hour, an hour and a quarter on maastricht and things like that. And im still still working and writing all the day, all the time. And i wrote this a few years ago. Wanted to be on numbers, which wrote this a few years ago. Wanhistory e on numbers, which wrote this a few years ago. Wan history ofon numbers, which wrote this a few years ago. Wan history of maths, bers, which wrote this a few years ago. Wanhistory of maths, and, which wrote this a few years ago. Wanhistory of maths, and notich is a history of maths, and not many people write a history of maths, but i wrote that and, and i beat a lot of what i do now on whats in that book, the history of maths. Yeah, whats what, what is this . Very briefly, what is it. The history. I can explain. Im curious. The greeks were the greatest mathematician. Mathematician mathematical ever and they mathematical race ever and they didnt do numeracy rac. They didnt do numeracy rac. They didnt do numeracy rac. They didnt do numeracy. They didnt even give their numbers names. One they called a two, they called b three, they called alpha beta gamma , right . They alpha beta gamma, right . They didnt even bother because they didnt even bother because they did geometry and they turned everything into pictures and they showed how you can multiply two numbers with two rulers set at an angle and the angle doesnt matter, but you can multiply numbers, divide multiply any two numbers, divide any numbers. Was so any two numbers. And it was so easy. Now if we taught maths from a geometric point of view, wed have more engineers, wed have more scientists and wed have more scientists and wed have more scientists and wed have more achievers by matt, by by miles , because numeracy drags by miles, because numeracy drags them all down. I keep beating them all down. I keep beating the drum and say, please, can you lighten up . And then statistics in the secondary school and theres too much statistics and machines do stats sticks as long as you understand what it means, you really dont have to study over and over again. Yeah. So thats what im still doing. Im still plugging that that away for better teaching and maths and im still active all the time. Its good, isnt it, do you think, because youve obviously got mind, what was got a very active mind, what was it about maths that drew you to maths . Because most people seeing you as a comedian might not that this passion. In a pub when i was i was in a pub when i was seven in bristol and they had childrens because was childrens rooms because it was a and everybody had to a war time and everybody had to get enjoy themselves get out and enjoy themselves because round because they worked round the clock. Childrens clock. So in this childrens room, came up, a friend room, a fella came up, a friend of my dads, i suppose i was your maths then. I said so right . He says, shall i show you how the russians do multiplication . I said, if you like. So he showed me the russians do showed me how the russians do multiplication and the simplest thing i will now, thing which i will show you now, but and find but i trace that back and find its the system the egyptians use. 4500 years ago at the time, they were building the pyramids. Yes, that fired me yes, of course. That fired me up. And that starts this book and it starts, you know, and everything done, everything ive done, all my see, wrote 20 series of see, i wrote 20 series of factual information shows. The think shows. And with two think shows. And with two o levels, i only got two o levels, i only got two o levels because they didnt understand my bristol accent. You see, when i was in bolton. And so thats why i didnt do particularly well at school. But i knew id got 100 in maths already , so it was had to be my already, so it was had to be my path at some time or other. Do you think that rishi sunak is right . Because he was saying that we need more maths in the curriculum and people should do maths is im really maths till 18 is that im really doing a Party Political broadcast. Im really not. I think rishi sunakis im really not. I think rishi sunak is the first right minded , right thinking politician weve had from either side for a good while. Yeah i am quite amazed by him and he keeps coming out with the right trick and the right idea. And i really have a lot of time for him. Whether it will continue. Im not a politician. I dont know. And they all flounder. But to my mind, hes hes the most clued up one that weve had. And i think but im not doing a Political Party liberal broadcast. But i Political Party liberal broadcast. Buti asked Political Party liberal broadcast. But i asked you the question. But i think i think hes quite incredible. I really do. And i think hes very level headed. Do. And i think hes very level headed. And i think everything headed. And i think everything around him, everything has gone wrong or another, wrong in some way or another, you hs2 now, which we you know, and hs2 now, which we all knew was going to cost much, much than they say. Its much more than they say. Its like im a supporter of nuclear energy, you know . But i know that the Nuclear Power station were building in somerset took so many years that when the first sod was cut to start the plans, a half of the budget had already been spent. And thats already been spent. And thats because people for the price up and force the price up. So eventually we cant afford these things. It is breaking us to build power stations and keep the lights on and its breaking us because if everything comes around in is wrapped around it, that that makes it much too costly. So i wrote the video that opened torness Nuclear Power station 40 years ago. I wrote the video. Maggie thatcher thought it was wonderful, but i wrote and presented the video and i saw that. Wrote and presented the video and i saw that. That youve got and i saw that. That youve got boron rods and if you put a boron rods and if you put a boron rods and if you put a boron rod in a Nuclear Power generator and you close it down, a good few of them, but there are 4 3 ways to put boron rods in and they dont work. There are three ways to bore and pedal pebbles pellets in. And if that doesnt work, there are three ways to put boron gas in. So theres nine ways to shut down theres nine ways to shut down the reactor. But theyre triplicated and all that is doubled again. So theres 54 ways to close the reactor down and that is just cost. That and that is just cost. That makes it ridiculous. But its makes it ridiculous. But its still been going for 40 years. When they said 25 years and without our Nuclear Power stations, we would have not have the lights on. So i do that as well as trying to make people like, oh, youre clever, arent you . Crikey, that must be very good because as people get older, theres the older, you know, theres the brain starts to slow down and apparently and all sorts of things are going on. But you know, do you think that the maths has helped you sort maths has really helped you sort of keep everything . I think do puzzles. Do i think i do puzzles. I do puzzles, know, every day puzzles, you know, and every day before up and i keep my before i get up and i keep my mind active and writing mind very active and i writing all time, know, and, and all the time, you know, and, and yeah, im very active. Im very pleased. Im so fit. Yeah. So im trying to cash in on it and im trying to cash in on it and ijust im trying to cash in on it and i just want to work again. I still want to work, you know, and i just strictly i was the oldest doing strictly when i was 74. And now dear angela. Angela, shes actually a gb news. She oh , yes. And shes doing very well i did you see her get a leg up in the splits . Yes. Yes. Ive never done the splits. I can do it with one leg. Just the one. Just the one. Thats a good line. Yes yes. Thats a good line. Yes yes. Thats a good line. Yes yes. Thats a good line. Yes yes. That would work. That would work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. So, so what are you doing . Your next thing, your next big project . Well, im my agent has said your autobiography is too big for one book, so were going to split it into two. So ive just finished the end of the first one and that is when ive just met my wife and have just got married. And ive just done the first think of a number series which won bafta straight. And was the straight away. And it was the start of something totally different and totally big. So thats the first one because ive got all the stories. Do you want some stories . Well , give me want some stories . Well, give me a story in a minute, because ive got to ive got go break in a minute. Oh, right, right. How long is it going to be . So i was in bristol. My mother was machine gunned in pram. Gunned when i was in the pram. This she always this is a true story. She always said, by a german aircraft that around 1942, three, a german aircraft and it would have passed up kingswood high street going east, going home so that all fits. I dont remember. I was too young, she said. We couldnt get the pram in woolworths doonnay and they said, were full up here. Mrs. Go and find somewhere else. But gerry had gone anyway so it sounded like people were quite awful. But yet we were in a bus station once and the bus came in and mum had just got a cup of tea and it was very hot and shes trying to get it into a saucer to cool it down and theres a tramp up. And he was absolutely caked skin and its awful close. He slept in for awful close. He slept in for years , weeks and he said, erg years, weeks and he said, erg mrs. And hed put his interest saucen mrs. And hed put his interest saucer. He said here mrs. Have this one. Its already puffed and blown. So that story alone and blown. So that story alone is just a great story. At the beginning of my autobiography. Wow, great story. Oh, that sounds like a fabulous book. I look fonnard to that coming out and reading that. Yeah. Thank you very much, johnny. You you very much, johnny. Thank you so me. Absolute so much forjoining me. Absolute legend. Joining me legend. Johnny ball joining me for on gb news. Thank for outside on gb news. Thank you for joining for outside on gb news. Thank you forjoining me for outside on gb news. Thank you for joining me johnny. For outside on gb news. Thank you forjoining me johnny. Right because coming up to minutes because coming up to 18 minutes after 5 00 its coming up to after 5 00 and its coming up to have debate this have Great British debate this houn have Great British debate this hour. Asking can we rishi hour. Im asking can we rishi sunak the tory sunak resurrect the tory party fortunes. News britains news channel. News britains news channel. 22 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now its channel. Im nana akua. Now its time for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking can rishi sunak resurrect the tory partys fortunes . Now the tory partys fortunes . Now the labour lead over the conservative has been slashed to just ten points. So it was at 20. Its literally half of what it was. And thats according to a new opinion poll for the observer. And it shows a two point drop for labour, putting them on 39 and a three point rise for the conservatives taking them to 29. Now this follows Prime Minister rishi sunaks watering down of net zero targets, along with the promise to end anti car measures. So for to end anti car measures. So for the Great British debate this hour, the Great British debate this hour , im asking can sunak hour, im asking can rishi sunak resurrect the partys resurrect the tory partys fortunes . Im joined now by paul embry. Stephen pound and also neil parish. So im going to start with you, paul embry. Do you think that perhaps rishi sunak can do this . Well i dont sunak can do this . Well i dont rule it out. I hope not, because im on the other side of the political divide. But dont rule it out. But dont rule it out. I sense that this is not a 1997 moment where it was abundantly clear in the months and years, frankly, up to that general election that the labour party was going to storm it. I dont think keir starmer and the labour party yet and the labour party have yet sealed deal with the sealed the deal with the electorate. I think probably the most likely outcome is Something Like australian like we saw in the Australian Election last year where the labour party won, but not because particularly because they particularly inspired , but because inspired anybody, but because they over the because they got over the line, because they got over the line, because they the least they were seen as the least worst of a of a bad bunch. Frankly i think if rishi sunak can keep hold of sufficient numbers of red wall voters who they gained in 2019, many of whom feel betrayed by the tories, but if he can keep hold of sufficient number of those and if can make them feel and if he can make them feel a little bit better off, you know, if inflation down, if if inflation comes down, if wages up, if energy wages start going up, if energy bills down, can get bills come down, if he can get on the small boats crisis on top of the small boats crisis , then i think hes got an outside chance of winning. But i think most likely outcome at think the most likely outcome at the still probably the moment is still probably a Hung Parliament labour Hung Parliament with labour party the largest party. Party as the largest party. You do you think, do you think, do you think, okay, im going to go stephen okay, im going to go to Stephen Pound former pound because hes a former labour Stephen Pound good afternoon. Well, look, of course you can bnng well, look, of course you can bring it back to life. Bring it back to life. Anneliese what do you bring back life . Which tory party back to life . Which tory party is it . Mean, know , is it . I mean, you know, frankenstein didnt know what his to look his monster was going to look like. Old like. Did he whacked the old electrodes like. Did he whacked the old electroif, s like. Did he whacked the old electroif, if richie brings back so if, if richie brings back the tory party to life, you know, it be the suella know, will it be the Suella Braverman labour party . Will it be party . You know, will be a tory party . You know, will it jeremy hunt . Because it be the jeremy hunt . Because ultimately we all know rishi sunak. Wears his sunak is a manager. He wears his ideology lightly. He wants to ideology lightly. He wants to make country well and he make the country run well and he wants make without all wants to make it run without all this nonsense about political ideology. So of he can ideology. So of course he can with hang on. With that. Hang on. Anyone, stephen. But whats wrong with that . What youve just of people just said there a lot of people you he wants the country to you said he wants the country to run without run well without political ideology all of that. So ideology. He and all of that. So thats what most people want. Yes no, ultimately , its a great no, ultimately, its a great sales pitch, but it doesnt actually work because until you come up to the first big question , if you can have question, if you can have a straightfonnard managerial, if someone who tried to run the country theyre trying to country like theyre trying to run waitrose or, you know, whatever, then the first time you proper you actually have a proper question actually has question that actually has a binary response it, then binary response to it, then youve got a difficulty because a manager is only right if everybody in the country believes in the same thing. Believes in the same thing. Everybody this country everybody in this country doesnt believe in the same thing. Can a good thing. So you can be a good manager, cant actually manager, but you cant actually meet aspirations of the people. But stephen, nobody would ever ever believes ever not everyone ever believes the anyway. So thats the same thing anyway. So thats almost absurd of almost an absurd sort of statement of course, statement. Of course, rishi sunak that everyone sunak must know that everyone cant think same thing. Let cant think the same thing. Let me bring in neil p o. No, im thinking in much more of a generalist. Theres a general by way, of a generalist. Theres a gethisl by way, of a generalist. Theres a gethis country, by way, of a generalist. Theres a gethis country, i by way, of a generalist. Theres a gethis country, i think way, of a generalist. Theres a gethis country, i think thatnay, in this country, i think that most people actually believe in a pretty much a sort of social democratic, mixed democratic, liberal, mixed economy, capitalism by economy, you know, capitalism by all capitalism with all means. But capitalism with a human problem is human face. But the problem is you be a manager , but then you can be a manager, but then seriously, the you start seriously, the minute you start to ask the questions, then you become thats become a politician and thats when right. Well, let me let all right. Well, let me let me bring in neil parish. I didnt understand what didnt quite understand what that neil. That was about, neil. Yeah, i think stephen got and yeah, i think stephen got slightly confused there. But i mean, think there is a mean, i think that there is a chance can it chance that rishi can pull it off. Think can actually off. I think if you can actually see little bit of difference see a little bit of difference between the parties, i think at the moment weve been sort of living sort fairly living in a sort of fairly socialist state weve socialist state ever since weve had the public had a covid and all the public interventions and government interventions and government interventions and government interventions and i think if you actually start to see a conservative and actually conservative party and actually talk about, you know, shall we have of our car, shall have freedom of our car, shall we to actually still we be able to actually still drive our cars . Are we going to drive our cars . Are we going to drive men drive all those white van men and women out of business because they cant their because they cant drive their older these sorts of older vans . All these sorts of things start to come together. Inflation coming inflation is coming down. The economys faster than economys growing faster than the pundits were predicting. And so its not quite so much doom and gloom. And in the end, people when comes people when it comes to a general election will stop protesting by protesting like they do in by elections decide do they elections and decide do they want the government. Want the change the government. And all and i actually agree with all three its going to three that i think its going to be difficult for rishi to overall dont think overall win, but i dont think its going a knockout its going to be a knockout punch labour either. And punch for labour either. And its interesting if can its interesting if rishi can actually turn it around, i think hes quite as a leader. Hes quite popular as a leader. Hes probably more popular than the itself because, you the party itself because, you know, hes taken on a split party. Id be the first to admit that. Party. Id be the first to admit that. But i party. Id be the first to admit that. But i think if he pulls it together , the party will come together, the party will come together, the party will come together because , you know, when together because, you know, when you put put a rope in front of them, they will they will actually better and actually perform better and conform to a policy. So i think rishi has a good chance of pulling it back. Opinion polls are showing that in the end , are showing that in the end, pubuc are showing that in the end, public will have to decide, you know , will labour stop more of know, will labour stop more of the boats . Will labour actually spend less and will they borrow less and will they tax less . All of which is no, they will tax more, spend more and they wont stop the boats. So all of those things will start to think inflation is coming down, as i said, and the economys doing better than its been predicted by many. The and gloom by many. The doom and gloom merchants. If people are merchants. And if people are feeling bit better , feeling a little bit better, they can whack in an cut they can whack in an old tax cut here there. So come the here and there. So come the general election, youd be amazed how quickly people sort of perk up and think, oh, perhaps its all dead for perhaps its not all dead for the tories. You know, keir the tories. You know, keir starmer is a lovely guy, but again, he doesnt set the thames on fire. Nobody quite really knows to make of him. And knows what to make of him. And hes hes also managerial. It was interesting for stephen to go on about the managerial stance of rishi. I would suggest that keir starmer is probably the most managerial of all and i think this is one of the problems that people are facing. Two managerial leaders, if you like, and i think if rishi can come over as more instinctive and more political and connect again with conservative voters, then he has every chance of holding the general election. Well, but there is at the moment with the figures, it does seem that when they went out and asked, 37 of the electorate from their poll were undecided. So there is a good chance and i know, paul, you thought it would be Hung Parliament, but but do be a Hung Parliament, but but do you not feel that there actually is a chance maybe the is a good chance that maybe the conservative party could come out and something because out and win something because keir starmer flip flopping out and win something because keir within er flip flopping out and win something because keir within a flip flopping out and win something because keir within a few flip flopping out and win something because keir within a few weeks, ilopping out and win something because keir within a few weeks, l mean, and within a few weeks, i mean, it even been a month. It was not even been a month. Hes lost a poll lead of at least ten points. Well , i mean, least ten points. Well, i mean, i dont think you can rule it out. Politics is unpredictable. You know, not many people thought that john major was going to win that that election they thought major was going to win that that elecikinnock they thought major was going to win that that elecikinnock was they thought major was going to win that that elecikinnock was a ey thought major was going to win that that elecikinnock was a shoo ought major was going to win that that elecikinnock was a shoo inght major was going to win that that elecikinnock was a shoo in for neil kinnock was a shoo in for downing street. And turns out downing street. And it turns out that the tories held on. I think , look, if i were advising the tory party i dont think i would ever want to find myself that ever want to find myself in that position. Were, i would position. But if i were, i would be saying to them, look, how did you to that storming you manage to win that storming victory it was by victory in 2019 . It was by creating a Major Political realignment. It creating a Major Political realignment. It was by creating a Major Political realignment. It was by going to places like the red wall and winning the support of people who had never voted. Tory and once upon a time would never have dreamed of voting tory. They message in, right . They got the message in, right . They got the message in, right . They well get brexit they said, well get brexit done. Were control done. Were going to control immigration. Done. Were going to control immigupzion. Done. Were going to control immigup and give you know, level up and give you, you know, better jobs and improve your wages revitalise industry wages and revitalise industry and all of that sort of thing, which goes down well, you know, National Security, those sorts of issues, which goes down really drink really well. Its meat and drink in red wall constituencies. And the is they wasted it. The truth is they wasted it. They havent really done anything that anything with that vote that they won. And, you know , theyve they won. And, you know, theyve effectively squandered it. And if they if they can in some way recapture that by leaning into those voters and they dont have long to do it. But if they were to, theyll stand an outside chance of winning a majority. But its fairly but i think its fairly unlikely. Hung unlikely. I think a Hung Parliament is still the most likely. Okay. So ill you the okay. So ill ask you the question directly. Embery, question directly. Paul embery, can revive resurrect the can he revive or resurrect the tories party partys fortunes . Yes. Or no . Unlikely and unlikely. Unlikely and unlikely. Neil parish yes or no . Neil parish yes or no . Yeah, i think he can. I saw him in 92. It changed in the last week and suddenly swung back, swung back to the tories. So nothing is lost until it is won and the labour party havent won and the labour party havent won yet. Won yet. Steve Stephen Pound yes or no . I . I dont know which tory party hes going to talk about, but yes, of course one of the tory parties could be revived really well is that the labour tory party or the tory tory party because keir starmer seems to be exactly same as the exactly the same as the conservatives, very conservatives, the very, very tory party so what was that well, so, so what was that a yes or no . Is it a yes or a no . Yes, of course. In a two horse race, of course you can revive. You think again. Thank you so much, paul. Mr broadcaster thank you so much, Stephen Pound, former labour mp, and also also neil parish, former conservative mp. Much for your mp. Thank you so much for your thoughts what do you think thoughts and what do you think as youre watching now, do you think that perhaps he can revive them . This gb on tv them . This is gb views on tv onune them . This is gb views on tv online on Digital Radio. Online and on Digital Radio. Coming continue with online and on Digital Radio. 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The government have promised to increase efforts to stop Illegal Migrants from entering the country with the foreign secretary addressing the foreign secretary addressing the crisis at the conservative Party Conference, more than 537 people were intercepted trying to cross the channel yesterday , to cross the channel yesterday, bringing the total number for the year to almost 25,000. James cleverly told the Party Faithful his department is working with International Allies to stop the boats. Meanwhile, tex is set to boats. Meanwhile, tex is set to be a key topic at the four day event. But the Prime Minister has so far refused to commit to any cuts. Rishi sunak says his focus is on halving inflation because it impacts the poorest the most. On a visit to burnley ahead of todays gathering , the ahead of todays gathering, the pm insisted his approach is deeply. Conservative outside deeply. Conservative outside protesters have been gathering in manchester, calling for an end to the conservative government. Some are Holding Signs reading bring down the tories and free the north. Others are protesting against the minimum Service Levels act, defending the right to strike and the family of Jessica Baker says her death has left a massive void in their lives. The 15 year old was killed when her school coach crashed on the wirral on friday. Her head teacher described her as unequivocally kind and empathetic. The driver , stephen empathetic. The driver, stephen shrimpton, also died when the coach overturned. The secretary coach overturned. The secretary of state for Northern Ireland says hes looking at new ferry routes between the uk and Northern Ireland as a key part of the Windsor Framework thats come into effect with a new system introduced to move products from Great Britain goods which are being transported to the eu will use a red lane, which includes Customs Declarations and some checks, while those bound for Northern Ireland will use a green lane with minimal papennork and no checks , you can get more on all checks, you can get more on all of these stories by visiting the website at gbnews. Com. Now its back to nana. Back to nana. Coming up , back to nana. Coming up, bravely backing up home secretary Suella Braverman defence minister grant shapps suggested migrants to the uk should all learn english and be productive part of society. Productive part of society. Well, well discuss that. But up next, its the Great British debate this hour. Im asking can rishi sunak resurrect the tory partys this evening. Gb news the peoples. Gb news the peoples. Channel gb news the peoples. Channel good afternoon. Its fast approaching. 39 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now its time for a Great British debate this hour. And im , can rishi sunak stop im asking, can rishi sunak stop this . Papers are very noisy. Im this . Papers are very noisy. Im so sorry. Just moving the papers around. Really noisy. Its Christine Hamilton be Christine Hamilton will be introducing them in just a moment can hear her in moment but you can hear her in the background. Im also. You can sunak. Lets wreck the can rishi sunak. Lets wreck the tory partys fortunes. Labours lead the conservatives has lead over the conservatives has been just ten points. Been slashed to just ten points. Thats new thats according to the new opinion for observer. Opinion poll for the observer. And shows a two point drop and it shows a two point drop for labour putting them on 39 and a three point rise for the conservatives taking them to 29. And this follows rishi sunak watering down a net zero targets along with the promise to end anti car measures. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking can rishi sunak resurrect the partys resurrect the tory partys fortunes . Lets what my fortunes . Lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined by broadcaster and author Christine Hamilton and also broadcaster and bobby seagull danny kelly. Very noisy. Christine i know. Very noisy. Christine i know. Im so sorry. Im so sorry. Do you think you are very noisy . Whose show is this . Well exactly. Come on. Its nana, as we all know that they all know that, too, christine , lets start with too, christine, lets start with you. Do you think he can i mean, hes a mathematician. Hes doing well. You heard what johnny said. I mean, look how well hes already done. I mean, hes hes brought the labour lead down by 10 week. Trouble 10 in a week. The trouble is that blair that ever since weve had blair and the tories are and brown, the tories are frankly, theyve just continued with the blair brown legacy and they havent done anything about it. We had cameron then, we had may i think, who they came then we who really was we had boris, who really was just not just a social democrat, not a tory. Had we had liz truss, tory. We had we had liz truss, but she was a annihilated before shed to get off shed had a chance to get off the starting blocks and he is beginning do it. Mean, net beginning to do it. I mean, net zero is one of the big things. If he stops hs2, which was of course was the blair brown policy, he stops hs2 spending policy, if he stops hs2 spending any more money and net zero, you know , he is it already. So know, he is doing it already. So i think he can i think his big problem or one thing, hes got to be careful about a whole load of tory have signed of tory mps have just signed a pledge that they will not vote for increases, tax increases for tax increases, tax increases would an absolute killer, but would be an absolute killer, but they cant go any higher. I mean, this is they cant go any higher for a long time, start cutting them. Got start cutting. Hes got to start cutting. You theres wonderful you know, theres a wonderful quote. May i read a quote . Thats i was shuffling, thats why i was shuffling, because want to find because i want to find this quote. From winston quote. Its from Winston Churchill and i think its brilliant. Sorry to quote churchill, but says, for churchill, but he says, for a nafion churchill, but he says, for a nation to to tax itself into nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like man prosperity is like a man standing in bucket of water prosperity is like a man stantrying1 bucket of water prosperity is like a man stantrying to bucket of water prosperity is like a man stantrying to lift ket of water prosperity is like a man stantrying to lift himselfater prosperity is like a man stantrying to lift himself up r prosperity is like a man stantrying to lift himself up by and trying to lift himself up by the handle. In other words , you the handle. In other words, you cannot yourself into cannot tax yourself into prosperity. This tax and spend doesnt work. And if rishi gets doesnt work. And if rishi gets that message, yes, he can turn it round. Listen , the disparity between listen, the disparity between the points , the ten point lead the points, the ten point lead with labour that is to going shrink. This an ago. Shrink. I said this an hour ago. Theres a snap theres going to be a snap election. Sunak has his election. Rishi sunak has his finger the pulse of the finger on the pulse of the average working man and woman. Average working man and woman. At the red wall. When at last, the red wall. When bofis at last, the red wall. When boris melted this ice Boris Johnson melted this ice wall which was coloured red anti tory wall mostly in the north and northeast. Forget liverpool, you know thats why dont forget liverpool. Theyll dont forget liverpool. Theyll be upset. The tories are never going to break through liverpool. Im liverpool. Not a chance. Im a scouser. Its an indoctrination process youre kid to process when youre a kid to vote and i think thats a vote labour and i think thats a real pity. But that was the same narrow minded, was same with minded, that was the same with the as well for the red wall as well for some time. Dont e time. Dont the tories well, dont forget the tories actually blairs actually were tony blairs constituency, which would be unheard ago. Unheard of 15 years ago. So theyve turned a corner theyve actually turned a corner in north the northeast. In the north and the northeast. Forget as i said. So forget liverpool, as i said. So in and the north in the north and the north theyve turned a corner they theyve turned a corner so they can they can capitalise on this. If or 3 things, if he sticks to 2 or 3 things, if to the antique if he sticks to the antique rhetoric. Labour are anti caa rhetoric. So labour are anti caa and pro caa pro caa. Well yeah, and pro caa pro caa. Well yeah, but criticising the anti caa rhetoric. Yeah. So. So were pro card anti we dont card, theyre anti car. We dont want bankrupt you just to get want to bankrupt you just to get to china are to net zero when china are pumping all of these noxious pumping out all of these noxious emissions. Okay, we dont want emissions. Okay, we dont want to bankrupt the country. I so to bankrupt the country. I so does that one does that also does that one does that and also the okay the echr i the dinghies. Okay the echr i genuinely think honestly that that red wall has been smashed through and i think youll be surprised at the election. There wont be an 82 seat majority, but i think the tories are going to do it if they can just focus on those 2 or 3 things that matter working man woman. Well, absolutely. Theyve got to the to start being tories. The trouble is weve got tory mps who are in office, but weve got labour are in power labour ideas that are in power and pertained really and that has pertained really throughout out since since 2010 and that round. Can i disagree with you . I dont think dont think people dont think i dont think people in east care about in the north east care about tories being tories. I think people in north east want to people in the north east want to stop i think they stop the dinghies. I think they dont policy. Dont want to be a tory policy. Correct. Talking correct. But youre talking about what it is to be a conservative and being a conservative, government, conservative and being a con taxes, le, government, conservative and being a con taxes, le, like vernment, conservative and being a constaxes, le, like vernr i ent, low taxes, things like that. I dont the average red wall dont think the average red wall tory who about the tory seat who cares about the distilling down of conservatism. They want to stop the dinghies. They want to stop the dinghies. They dont want to be punished for they dont for driving a car and they dont want bankrupted the want to be bankrupted for the 2050 they want an 2050 net zero, but they want an increased standard of living. To feel better off they want to feel better off in that is in their pockets. And that is what tory policy labour will tell deliver what tory policy labour will tell as deliver what tory policy labour will tell as well. Deliver what tory policy labour will tell as well. They deliver what tory policy labour will tell as well. They canteliver what tory policy labour will tell as well. They cant focus that as well. They cant focus on things the dinghies net on three things the dinghies net zero and anti car. Do you not think though that theres yeah. W yeah. But do you not forgive me but do you not think an element of think theres an element of actually starmer it . Actually keir starmer losing it . Because of because actually some of the things that been saying things that hes been saying like the thing about private schools, which i think very schools, which i think is a very dangerous do, dangerous thing for him to do, because the people who would support the middle. Because the people who would supjmajority the middle. Because the people who would supjmajority of the middle. Because the people who would supjmajority of people middle. Because the people who would supjmajority of people middsend the majority of people who send their private their children to private schools arent really, really wealthy. The middle schools arent really, really wealtiand the middle schools arent really, really wealtiand his middle schools arent really, really wealtiand his notidle schools arent really, really wealtiand his not that class. And that is his not that is his voting base that hes is his new voting base that hes chosen because hes gone for the islington, sort of north london sect. And those are the people sect. And those are the people that will be sending their kids there. They wont like and there. They wont like that. And these working these lost the kind of working class hes carrying class vote because hes carrying on this obsession of on with this obsession of net zero hes planning not hes zero hes planning on not hes going going back to 20, 30. So hes have been hes lost what would have been the labour party and the base of the labour party and now hes sort of scrabbling around at people on the for the things on the edges, but hes not with not really coming out with any decent, policies. Decent, coherent policies. Yeah, absolutely. The other thing that did terribly thing that sunak did terribly wrong gender identification wrong was gender identification when he couldnt say whether a woman you mean starmer. Sorry, what did i say . I said sunak sunak. Im so sorry. I meant starmer when he couldnt say whether a woman did didnt whether a woman did or didnt have that was the first have a penis. That was the first thing sunak actually. Thing that sunak actually. Yeah. No, i was about to say grabbed by the whatnot , but he no, i was about to say grabbed by the whatnot, but he did. He got right. He torpedoed Nicola Sturgeon rishi sunak, which was one of his great that that would have sunak has got the have put his sunak has got the balls to tell the truth. You said i wasnt daring when it comes because it wouldnt comes to because it wouldnt have at the end your have worked at the end of your sentence for him. Have worked at the end of your sen hece for him. Have worked at the end of your sen he wasnt|im. Have worked at the end of your sen he wasnt saying he wasnt saying what you were hes got the were saying. So hes got the balls say it how is. Balls to say it how it is. And important. Im and thats important. Im going to to the average going to go to the average working and woman in the working man and woman in the north east in midlands. North east and in the midlands. Ive im ive driven down 96 miles. Im a scouser by birth, but ive dnven scouser by birth, but ive driven from midlands. Driven down from the midlands. Everyone, all of my pals, theyre conservatives because theyre conservatives because they may they even though they may dislike Boris Johnson, there are things about brexit they dont like. Conservative like. I think the conservative party is the party of the working class nowadays. Absolutely. Do you think theres an element of what hes doing as well, look at him well, that people look at him and hes very, rich and and hes very, very rich and people think, well, hes obviously of how obviously got an idea of how to make money. More confident so people feel more confident in that he can actually make in him that he can actually make money. Because for me, i look at it well, the it and i think, well, hes the man money. Hes a banking it and i think, well, hes the man henoney. Hes a banking it and i think, well, hes the man he seems hes a banking it and i think, well, hes the man he seems tos a banking it and i think, well, hes the man he seems to have anking it and i think, well, hes the man he seems to have managed to man. He seems to have managed to stabilise things even though i dont particularly the dont particularly like the direction hes going. But its working this high tax thing is working. This high tax thing is working. This high tax thing is working. Things are stabilised. Theres trust theres more trust in the economy and thats we economy and thats what we needed, truss needed, which liz truss decimated of trust, decimated in terms of trust, i think hes got to be very careful because he is mega wealthy. Its very easy for people to think he hasnt got a clue about the of things that exercise the sort of things that exercise normal in a normal people. He is not in a normal people. He is not in a normal situation by far normal Economic Situation by far and comes across slightly, and he comes across slightly, you know, in his prada or whatever they are suits. You know, those the the know, those are the shoes, the gucci prada shoes. Gucci suits and the prada shoes. He comes across a little bit like a sort of snake oil salesman. Well, he hes salesman. Well, he does. Hes got prove himself. Got to prove himself. Keir starmer has no sir keir starmer has no connection working man connection with the working man or nice he not or woman. Hes a nice he may not have wealth of sunak, but have the wealth of sunak, but hes if andy hes still minted. If andy burnham was the of the burnham was the leader of the labour party whos a working class scouser , whos the mayor class scouser, whos the mayor of greater manchester, then you have that working class connection. Are both connection. Yeah they are both as disconnected to the working class as, i dont know whether missed a missed a plot there. I dont whether wants i dont know whether he wants to though. Burnham i dont know whether he wants to timethough. Burnham i dont know whether he wants to time he ugh. Burnham i dont know whether he wants to time he mentions burnham i dont know whether he wants to time he mentions it,|rnham i dont know whether he wants to time he mentions it, he|am every time he mentions it, he doesnt seem like something he wants the show is wants to do. But the show is nothing you your nothing without you and your views. Great views. Lets welcome our Great British voices. Their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about topics were about the topics were discussing. Three of discussing. Ive got three of you going start you today. Im going to start with duggan. Hes there in with brian duggan. Hes there in solihull. What do solihull. Brian duggan, what do you resurrect the you think . Can we resurrect the fortunes the party . Fortunes of the tory party . , i mean, he can i guess well, i mean, he can i guess , of course. And as youve pointed out, the lead has narrowed recently. That can that can swing the other way. Again, to, um, but you know, danny says that that rishi has the balls to tell the average person how it is. I just listened to the Prime Minister be interviewed this morning and he couldnt give a straight answer straight question. Answer to a straight question. And this morning it was no different most times. Different to most times. From him. I hear from him. I hear from him. Mean, when you when youre i mean, when you when youre when to you, when you when its put to you, when you when its put to you, when you when Prime Minister when youre the Prime Minister and say you cant respond to and you say you cant respond to speculation, then actually speculation, then when actually youre the man that will make thei mean, i dont care i mean, listen, i dont care to be on that point. This is the man who make decision man who will make that decision. Talking about. And hes talking about speculation. And youre saying, speculation. And youre saying, danny, that hes the man danny, that he that hes the man that the balls tell that has the balls to tell people how it is. Well, on the biggest one of biggest biggest one of the biggest Things Country that things facing the country that he cant give a straight answer to that. Was. Pm well, he was. Well, listen, hes the that cant hes not the only one that cant give straight answer, but he hes not the only one that cant givegiveraight answer, but he hes not the only one that cant givegive aight answer, but he hes not the only one that cant givegive a straightner, but he hes not the only one that cant givegive a straight answer he hes not the only one that cant givegive a straight answer to� can give a straight answer to the question what a woman is. The question of what a woman is. And thats were talking and thats what were talking about. Lets go to miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson, miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson,in miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson,in northamptonshire. Richardson in northamptonshire. Miranda richardson. Nana. Afternoon, nana. Afternoon, nana. I kind of want to just say about to brian, theyre all politicians and none of them ever give a straight answer about any thing. That for you know, we know that for a fact. Many a time. Think he fact. Many a time. I think he has a chance to bring it has got a chance to bring it back round and i agree with danny. He needs to focus on the three things that actually the conversations i hear in my pub from the working class from the average brit from the average person who is here, and its affecting their lives day to day. If he can get that right, then he will bring it back round. I thats the thing round. I think thats the thing i think theyve to remember i think theyve got to remember not to lose touch with working the actual country. Thats thats the important. Well they all seem to have done certainly mudaliyar well they all seem to have do milton certainly mudaliyar well they all seem to have do Milton Keynes nly mudaliyar well they all seem to have do Milton Keynes. Y mudaliyar well they all seem to have do Milton Keynes. Ashley liyar well they all seem to have do Milton Keynes. Ashley good afternoon. Nana yes , i agree with with nana yes, i agree with with what neil parish has said. He said that rishi sunak would be able to resurrect the tory party and again also with your panel , with christine and your panel, with christine and with danny. I think the with danny. I think the important thing is that rishi is appealing to the general public and i think that is going to help him and his tory party and also if he focuses on the top five priorities, which he has said and promised that he would do, i think and today we heard about his tackle on inflation. And i think that again, is appealing to the general public. So i think he has definitely a good chance. Good chance. Right. Thank you very much. That was my Great British voices. Youve got miranda in northamptonshire and brian in solihull Stephanie Milton solihull and stephanie in Milton Keynes. Much. Right keynes. Thank you so much. Right so on to a story that so lets move on to a story that caught my eye today. Grant shapps suella shapps is back. Suella bravermans multiculturalism comments that migrants comments saying that migrants must our language must learn our language to integrate event. Secretary integrate the event. Secretary also stressed that those who come be a productive come here must be a productive part of society. Analysis part of society. Data analysis by the migration observatory has found that nine out of ten migrants speak english well or very well and bravermans us speech has not gone down well with conservative mps with bob neill, tory mp and chair of the justice select committee, telling the Times Newspaper bravermans rhetoric was excessive and unhelpful. So do we really need to be worried about migrants integrating into society . Well pretty society . Well hes pretty unhelpful, when unhelpful, isnt he . When the tories are getting tories are just getting themselves im going themselves together . Im going to you, danny kelly. To start with you, danny kelly. Mike 54, hes mike powell, whos 54, hes a first generation indian lad, British Indian sikh, and British Indian lad, a sikh, and his has obviously been in his father has obviously been in this country years. This country over 54 years. Father cannot string his father cannot string a sentence together in english. I cannoti sentence together in english. I cannot i cannot speak. I cant converse with my pals, dad. And i think thats a real shame. Getting back to whether you need to if you if you cant speak the language, how are you supposed to my dad to integrate now, my pals dad came Leamington Spa and he came to Leamington Spa and he worked the foundry and worked in the ford foundry and all his pals were indians and all of his pals were indians and they just settled in that Little Community they only spoke community and they only spoke with each other and they have not integrated. With each other and they have not integratenbit like a bit of el sounds a bit like a bit of el dorado one of a british going dorado or one of a british going to spain. Yeah, but dont forget to spain. Yeah, but dont forget the expats. But the expat go over there to retire. Generally speaking, not not to take jobs. Thats the big Christine Hamilton well, i Christine Hamilton well, i think the response think some of the response suella speech have been frankly blatantly racist. People have said that how dare a brown woman speak like that . Suella braverman and rishi, not rishi, whats her name . Priti patel, are two of name . Priti patel, are two of the prime examples of children of immigrants who have completely integrated. Thats what shes talking about. Multiculturalism doesnt mean coming in at danny has just explained a classic example and sticking to your own. It means learning the language. It doesnt. No, no, no. Multiculturalism pretty much means that you have like little small little ghettos type or structures of type thing or structures of people where you keep within your its a thing that your culture. Its a thing that danny described at the beginning. Dad danny described at the beginspeak dad danny described at the beginspeak english. Dad danny described at the beginspeak english. Thats dad multiculturalism. What i said. Thats what i said. Multicultural. What multicultural. Sorry. What did i say it isnt. It is say . It isnt. It isnt. It is exactly that, but. Well, Suella Braverman is trying to say that people should come and integrate. It is a key word. Of course. Shes absolutely right. Course. Shes absolutely right. And i think it was shocking and people who have criticised her a lot of them have misunderstood what she meant by multiculturalism. Thats i think theres a misunderstanding theres been a misunderstanding about word. Was the about that word. There was the other theresa may said other day when theresa may said she i dont think she she was woke. I dont think she realised what the word realised quite what the word means i think shes means now, but i think shes i think its tremendous speech think its a tremendous speech and been very and i think its been very brave. And thats another example obviously example because rishi obviously sanctioned of how sanctioned that speech of how hes through barrier. Well, i think that multiculturalism doesnt work, well, i think that mulweilturalism doesnt work, well, i think that mulwe arealism doesnt work, well, i think that mulwe are insm doesnt work, well, i think that mulwe are in a] doesnt work, well, i think that mulwe are in a multicultural , but we are in a multicultural society, which is a totally different altogether. But different thing altogether. But its its theyre its not but its not theyre not the same thing right now. Its supplement sunday its time for supplement sunday where i discuss where my panel and i discuss some news stories some of the news stories that caught to caught our eye. Im going to start supplement, start with danny supplement, which is about charge rage. Ive been well, nana, ive been fortunate. I know ive been fortunate. I know ive been fortunate enough coming fortunate enough to be coming down you down to london and you and i have been talking about the impending disaster with electric vehicles wherever the infrastructure is there. Well, a fella called ken mckeon, who is from moto moto, are in charge of various motonnay service stations and sometimes over the Christmas Period last year, people were waiting 5 or 6 hours for a slot to charge their teslas. Yes, for to charge a teslas. Yes, for to charge a tesla or an electric car in cumbria to get back down to the south. And there are few south. And there are so few charging many charging points and so many electric , there now electric vehicles, there is now something charge rage, something called charge rage, where into where people are getting into fights and they and they are now employing marshals to make sure that people arent kicking off. And offending , and the worst offending, apparently the worst thing you could if youre charging could do if youre charging up a car once its charged for you car is once its charged for you to carry on eating lunch in to carry on eating your lunch in the oh, the service station. Oh, apparently that that is apparently that that that is punishable by death. Christine, how foolish enough to have an electric car that would drive you nuts. Well, mine is. Im absolutely outraged cancelled outraged by this. As cancelled operations sort operations and appointments sort of nearly a million. Thats a massive amount of human suffering. What do doctors do between strikes . They go to a sunny resort in the algarve for a conference. Nhs consultants descended on this luxury hotel. This trip took place in between two mass walkouts by consultants. The last strike led to 130,000 cancelled operations and they celebrate that by going to jet off to this private resort in somewhere called del bellagio or something for four Day Conference where they enjoyed wellbeing, yoga and wellbeing, yoga classes and beach. It really irritates me. It really irritates me. Its a slap in the face to all those people on waiting. Some of them paid well, some of them got paid thousands work the strike thousands to work on the strike days so that would days so that they would those things but things wouldnt shut down. But lets look at my lets have a look at my supplement then. And this is supplement then. And this one is an mailonline. It an audit from mailonline. It reveals high street reveals that high street sandwiches contain as much sandwiches can contain as much sugar and a half krispy sugar as one and a half krispy kreme you those kreme doughnuts. You know, those things. What do you think, things. What do you think, danny . Because weve some here. Weve got. We have something to eat. Yeah. No, no, no. Sorry, danny, but pret was slammed last week. A stone. Stone and half. A stone. Stone and a half. Well done. Done. Well done. Well done. Good. But there are very good. But there are loads really charged loads of really high charged sandwiches. Eat them sandwiches. I dont eat them well, look, i mean, were talking were talking about price and were talking about price and were talking calories. Talking about price and were talking were calories. Talking about price and were talking were talking;. Talking about price and were talking were talking about sugan salt. Well, were talking salt. Well, were talking about quid about the seven and a half quid for and pickle butty. For a cheese and pickle butty. Far too dough. Far well, far too much dough. Far too many calories. Todays show well, listen, on todays show , a regional thing. , oh, thats a regional thing. If twitter poll, if you go to our twitter poll, could quiet . What is this . Well, if call it a bag of well, if you call it a bag of you said yes. Thank you so much to my and thank you so much to my panel and thank you so much to my panel, hamilton and and thank you so much to my panedanny hamilton and and thank you so much to my panedanny hthankn and and thank you so much to my pane danny hthank youd and thank you so much to my pane danny hthank you to also danny kelly. Thank you to you for joining also danny kelly. Thank you to you forjoining me. Ill you at home forjoining me. Ill see you next week, same time, same place. Enjoy. Same place. Enjoy. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest weather for gb news. Were looking at a mixed picture over the next few days, we will see some rain, some shower hours as well, but therell be some warm spells sunshine and warm spells of sunshine and turning as High Pressure turning drier as High Pressure moves in the of the moves in by the middle of the week. Pressure pattern at the week. A pressure pattern at the moment dominated low moment is dominated by low pressure, in spells of pressure, bringing in spells of rain across the country and weve got patchy rain across southern parts of wales the southern parts of wales into the midlands as we move through this evening time. This generally remaining cloudy across the southern half of the uk , further southern half of the uk, further north, drier , clearer spells, north, drier, clearer spells, but scattering a shower to the Northern Ireland northwest scotland , some of these heavy at scotland, some of these heavy at times being blown in on a brisk breeze and temperatures across the generally staying in the board generally staying in double figures and muggy start to cloudy to monday morning. A cloudy start. Southern counties of start. Southern counties of england and wales patchy rain developing as we move through the morning and into the afternoon. Of this rain afternoon. Some of this rain could at times. Could be heavy at times. Brighter for northern brighter skies for Northern Ireland, Northern England and scotland scattering of scotland with a scattering of showers. Quite showers. Again staying quite windy across the north west of scotland and temperatures high teens to low 20s across the board into tuesday. We continue to remain fairly unsettled and well see showers or longer spells of rain. Well see some sunny spells, though, developing in between cloud across the southeast taking its time to clear. And temperatures generally again reaching the high teens into the low 20s for many. And then High Pressure many. And then High Pressure starts to build towards the starts to build in towards the middle of the week. Temperatures 537 people were intercepted trying to cross the channel yesterday. The foreign yesterday. The foreign secretary, James Cleverly told the Party Faithful hes working with International Allies to stop the boats. Ive written to all of our ambassadors , all of our high ambassadors, all of our high commissioners and ive instructed each and every one of them to do even more work with them to do even more work with the countries in which they represent the uk to help stop the abhorrent trafficking of human life across the english channel. Be in no doubt, no doubt at all. Our diplomats will redouble their effort to bring an end to this terrible , an end to this terrible, terrible injustice. Terrible injustice. Earlier, the Tory Party Chairman used his opening address to take a swipe at labour. I address to take a swipe at labour. I have address to take a swipe at labour. I have these address to take a swipe at labour. I have these available all at the conservative shop outside for just £16, 999 also onune outside for just £16, 999 also online waving flip flops featuring sir Keir Starmers face. Greg hands mocked the labour leader, suggesting he doesnt have a clear position on issues affecting the country. He described the opposition as a party thats incapable of running anything. Well who is the real sir keir starmer, the