ben rhodes is here, he served as deputy national security advisor to president obama, now an msnbc contributor. jackie is here, "washington post" congressional correspondent andpo author of t early 202 newsletter. miles taylor, former chief of staffta for dhs, now the cofounr and executive director of the renew america movement. ben and miles, i'm going to start with you because you ar worked at the highest levels th inside the government in security agencies. it is knowable what the truth is at the pentagon. how do investigators get to that truth? you first, ben. >> well, i think, nicole, it's i definitely knowable because whel you're dealing with the li military, everything is taperedi as they say. there's a paper trail, paper record of conversations, of requests, of orders that are th given, and there are a limited number of people in a clear established chain of command who you can talk to.tabl i think one of the glaring holes in the whole january 6th story, nicole, has been, you'll recall that in the transition, the senior leadership at the pentagon was kind of hollowed out. you had the secretary of defense

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