Good morning. Im jane pauley and this is sunday morning. Well start off today in washington with the latest on a political showdown that has been brewing for days now. Make that weeks now. Last night, truly at the 11th hour, Congress Reached agreement to keep the lights on and spare the nation from the consequences of a shutdown, at least for now. Lee cowan has the details just ahead. Then we move from matters of the present to matters of the future. As you know, not that long ago Artificial Intelligence, a. I. , was the stuff of science fiction. No more. These days, a. I. Touches nearly every part of our lives. But cheating on term papers is one thing. Now as ted koppel will tell us, a. I. Is becoming a major factor in a field where the stakes are far higher the battlefield. Reporter Artificial Intelligence has beaten the best in the world at chess, at go, and at texas hold em. But those, after all, are just games. These days a. I. Is being developed and deployed by the most sophisticated militaries in the world, and not a one of them is playing games. Coming up on sunday morning. Back in the 1960s, joan baez was a leading voice of her generation. Both as a folk singer and antiwar activists. Turns out these years later she is still honing her craft as she tells our tracy smith. Reporter 82yearold joan baez has a new film. Reporter and a new voice. Its a whole other voice maybe, which is maybe a blessing . Its a blessing. I have been enjoying it. It aint me you are looking for reporter her songs and secrets later on sunday morning. With Conor Knighton, well have a sunday morning episode of csi where crime seen investigators are looking into solving crimes that are truly something wild. Reporter rebecca is a veterinary forensic pathologist. She is attempting to figure out how this endangered california condor died. Is you enter vet school knowing this job existed . No. Reporter she joined a team of scientist at a oneofakind crime lab. Is there anything like this in the world . Like this facility with the scope that we have, no. Reporter we go inside the National ChristmasTree LightingNational Fish and life friends iksz lab. Rita braver is on broadway with Daniel Radcliffe and the story of the sondheim show, merrily we roll along. Martha teichner visits with Pulitzer Prizewinning author hernan diaz. Robert costa talks power and politics with former Washington Post executive editor marty baron. Plus, commentary from economist robert reich and more. Its the first sunday of the month, october 1, 2023, and well be back in a moment. Wewe made it bmo has ararr. Hello . You sasaid it. Hehello to morore ways to savave money, grow your r wealth, growow your busisiness. Just w what we neeeeded, ananother big g bank. Not so f fast. How manyny banks do o youw that reweward you fofor saving evevery month . . Hes got a a good poi. 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Reporter democrats blame the brinksmanship on republicans who she say went back on a bipartisan agreement struck back in may. Instead, mccarthy has spent weeks trying to propose a plan that would be acceptable to a small hard line faction within his own party. Holding it up were 20 conservative house members cheered on by donald trump who w refused to entertaining anything that didnt include deep cuts in federal spending. Cuts even some of their fellow republicans thought were too steep. Mr. Speaker, i move that the house do now adjourn. Reporter the speakers troubles are only begin. Mccarthys bill appealed to enough democrats to get it across the flypast, but that will likely be viewed by the same group of conservatives. His chief foil, congressman matt gaetz of florida who threatened to oust mccarthy from his job. So that feud will likely create only more chaos ahead, which begs the question. 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Fish and Wildlife Service and supports the investigations of more than 200 special agents and inspectors in the u. S. And works with more than 150 countries which have signed the u. N. s convention on International Trade in endangered species of wild fauna and there are a treaty. Quite a bit of the work involves illegal products made from animals. Everything from fur coats to purses to ivory sculptures crafted out of elephant tusks. When an agent at a port or shipping facility sees something suspicious, thats sent in. There was a large shipment miami that was seized a few years ago where they were attempting to smuggle these and claiming that it was blue plastic for recycling. In fact, they were painting them to try to disguise the fact that they came from sea turtles and being smuggled. Reporter i could see whey someone may fall for this. They cannot only figure out what something is, but potentially where that protect species came from, which can be helpful when tracking down poachers. Officers out in the field work the cases, but they need their evidence to be analyzed here. Why have so many different varieties of antelope . There are so many animals that are in the wildlife trade that we need representatives to help identify them when they come to us as evidence. Reporter they have a repository of specimens to use as references when they need to make comparisons during active investigations. Theyve got everything from bugs to bison. Drawers of bones and birds. This is my todo list. Reporter johnny french is the human in charge of the collection. In here is all of our donated specimens from zoos. So this big pile right here is a giraffe. Back in the back, there is an orangutan, there is a gorilla. Reporter does anybody accidentally leave their lunch in here . Absolutely not. Reporter there is lunch in here for the flesheating beatles who clean the bones before specimens can be examined or added to the library. There is never a dull moment in the world of wildlife forensics. I always get to learn something every day. You know the old saying, if you are the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room. I have never been in the wrong room here. If you have a question, you always have a worldrenowned expert that you can go and ask. Reporter in the exam room you will find veterinary forensic pathologist rebecca kagan. Basically, i solve mysteries. There is a dead animal and they want to know how it died and i figure out what happened. Reporter the lab doesnt accept live animals. When wildlife dies under suspicious circumstances, kagan is on the case. Redtailed hawks are significantly larger reporter sometimes teaming up with coworkers. There is the feet. Reporter an animal might have been electrocuted. If it turns out thats because a Power Company didnt take proper precautions, that could be a crime. It might have been poisoned. Maybe it was shot. A lot of these condors are lead poisoning cases. Reporter or maybe it was not. Ingested metal right here. Reporter this bird literally ate lead. Ingested a bullet used to kill a different animal. When animals are the victims, clues can be hard to come by. Unlike a human mysterious death where the neighbor can say i saw them yesterday or they didnt collect their mail and those are clues that help you figure out when somebody died, he w we dont get that with wildlife. Reporter the team gets very Little Information about how their findings are used and thats by design. They are not told much about the cases to they are not biased. Federal authorities made some key discoveries. Bones of reporter some cases are so big, they find out anyway. This was what the tiger king was doing to his tigers. Putting bullets in the brain case reporter he realized t thate had worked on tigers which looked similar to the specimen used in the trial which led to the conviction of the man known as joe exotitic. Shooting a and killing five tigers. Reporter made famous in the Netflix Documentary series tiger king. Doing this type of work can take a toll. Do you find yourself thinking about the life that that animal lived . I try not to. Its better not to. This is a hard enough job. Its a rewarding job, but its hard enough without thinking of what people are willing to do for animals. Reporter there are certainly people who are willing to do almost anything to obtain a rare or endangered animal. The illegal trade in wildlife is you estimated to be worth 20 billion a year. But the existence of a lab like this is also evidence of the good people are willing to do for animals. Solving cases on behalf of creatures who cant speak for themselves. This isnt just a United States problem. 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Reporter but to know the real marty baron is to read his new book, collision of power, which takes readers inside what he did after spotlight, editing the Washington Post with billionaire amazon founder jeff bezos as its owner, and with donald trump in the white house. What did that searing experience of covering the Catholic Church in boston do to inform you when it came time to cover trump . Well, it informed me that we always have to confront power, we always have to hold power to account. Reporter whats it like to be back in washington . Its a little strange. Reporter as a former reporter at the post, i worked with baron for years as he dealt with deadlines and challenges. Do you miss being editor of the Washington Post . No. Actually. Reporter catching up at the National Press club, he shared something he long kept secret. A private dinner he, bezos, and posthumously leaders had this with jump in 2017 as trump was growing furious with the papers reporting. What was your impression of trump . He was trying to be charming. I felt it was superficial, he i felt he was leaning on bezos. Reporter trump keeps elbowing you at the table . Yeah, every time i was sitting to his left and every time he said something that was negative about the post, about how we were the worst and way we treated him, he would sort of poke me with his elbow. It was clear that he was trying to send me a message. Reporter baron came a dake aid ago to the poshe post, famoe investigation into watergate. You dont have to. The story is soiled. We are sure of it. Okay. Go with it. Reporter but the post was struggling and a year in one of the crown jewels of journalism was sold to jeff bezos. When bezos buys the paper were you alarmed . I was concerned. I didnt know what influence he would have over our coverage. I was hopeful. The post wasnt going anywhere at that point except down. Reporter he often to swat away conspiracy theories that bezos had a hidden hand in news coverage. Trump insisted to you and many others, he told me once, he truly believed bezos controlled the post. Yeah. Thats what he thought. If bezos were telling me what to do as a journalist, i would have quit. I am not going to do tlachlt was there every a moment you had a bit of skepticism that this guy, this billionaire, really wanted whats best for the country and the paper . I really didnt have a doubt about that. I never saw any evidence that he was using the News Organization for his own personal purposes, his commercial purposes or anything like that. Reporter bezos of course was not the only figure hovering over barons shoulder. The number one enabler of the democrats is the Fake News Media right back there. Re when trump announced in 2015 a lot of people dismissed him. Immediately after that, he commanded the support of about a third of the Republican Party. How could you ignore that . So we needed to treat him seriously as a political candidate, as a political force. We are going to keep winning. Reporter covering trump well meant digging deep, not giving him a platform. I think it was terrible. Running those entire rallies, no commentary in between, no contradiction of the falsehoods and lies that he was saying during those rallies. That was a real mistake. It was free advertising for it was free advertising for trump. Reporter once trump won the presidency, barons message to the newsroom was we are not at war. We are at work. Trump didnt buy it and began to call baron to lash out. I keep coming back in your book to that final conversation you have on the phone with thenpresident trump. He was very critical of our coverage. He said you are doing this because of amazon, because of bezos. So i told him it was just completely false. I said its falts and you know its false and, well, then he broke out into profanity. Reporter he shouted at you . 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Legendary composer Stephen Sondheim has more than his fair share of hit shows, but merrily we roll along wasnt one of them. At least not at first. Now more than 40 years after its rocky debut, its back. Were on broadway with rita braver. Here we are. Here you are. Everywhere i love this. Were you really in the photo booth . We got to hang out in a photo booth. Crammed in. Never imagining they would be plastered all over the broadway theater. Reporter the broadway theater where these Three Friends are playing Three Friends. Reporter revival of merrily we roll along. Reporter awith music and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Jonathan groff who drew ravens in king george iii plays composer shepherd. He goes from being super excited, young composer, into a marriage, has a child, has a divorce, gets married again. Reporter fools around . Fools around. Fools around a little bit. Talk about it. Reporter lindsay mendez, who won a tony in 2018 for her role in the revival of carousel is writer mary flynn. She has big problems. She is in love with frank and she drinks too much. Yeah, i think those things are a bit related. Yeah, shes got a bit of unrequited love for him. Reporter whats the most challenging part of playing the role for you . I think its just the pain of her and of someone who isnt getting what they want or maybe isnt even sure of what they want. Reporter by now, you may have recognized the third member of this trio from his days as harry potter. But Daniel Radcliffe has become an established broadway star in revivals of shows like he can kwis and how to succeed in business without really trying. In merrily we roll along, he plays charlie kringis. Reporter his friendship with frank faces serious challenges. Its a very american role. All of us who care here are raised on sondheim. For somebody like you who grew up in the movies in england, do you feel about sondheim the way americans do . My parents met during the theater. I was, like, listened to a bunch of sondheim growing up and other, like, show tunes. I thought everyone listened to the show tunes in the car. Apparently, not everyone. So i grew up not quite as steeped in it as these guys are, but loving it as well. Reporter the story of creating merrily we roll along is a drama in itself. Fresh from a string of hits, director hal prince and sondheim decided to do a musical update of a 1934 play by george s. Coffman. But when merrily opened in 1981, most critics savaged it. It would close after only 16 performances. Still, working with writer george further, Stephen Sondheim would not give up on the show. He doesnt believe you have to do it one way. Reporter Maria Friedman is directing the broadway revival. She is also a well known british actor who developed a close friendship with sondheim. You were actually in a production where Stephen Sondheim was finetuning the show . Thats right. He chose a few of us. And i think with caution, took us outside of london and, because as we all know, he had been pretty burnt. Reporter that version opened in leicester, england, one of many places where the show would play to praise. Over the years, becoming one of sondheims best loved musicals. It started out like a song reporter friedman directed a successful version in london in 2012, but merrily we roll along has never been back on broadway. Do i feel like you are inviting me in your home. It does feel like home. Reporter until now in this theater. This space is a Holding Space and i hchose it because i wante to be a like a picture frame. Reporter and Daniel Radcliffe says he thinks this production will capture what sondheim was really hoping the play would be. He is going to be considered like shakespeare. I think its going to be sort of lopped in amber in a way and people are not going to want to mess around with it too much. Reporter Maria Friedman was in close consultations with Stephen Sondheim about this production just before his death in 2021. He is the godfather of your child. I mean, what does it mean to you that you are probably going to be the person to bring the hit version of this show . Dont make me cry. I wish he was here. I wish he was here to see it, because i did it for him. Yeah. Sorry of. Yeah, i miss him. And i think its i feel him in the auditorium, and i he is keeping me on my toes, and i wish to goodness he was there. Reporter and as for the Three Friends playing Three Friends its our time breathe it in worlds to change someone told me yesterday that this show reeks of friends friendship, that its like a wave coming off the stage and it makes sense because thats what we feel while we do it. Reporter yet, back in 1981 the critics panned this show. 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Feinstein rose to National Prominence in 1978 when she became mayor of San Francisco after a crime that shocked the nation. The status quo must go. In the senate, she was both a progressive liberal and a pragmatic lawmaker. Her signature issues gun control, womens rights, and investigating the post9 11 cia interrogation program. This is not what americans do. Dianne feinstein was the longestserving woman and oldest sitting member of the United States senate. Artificial intelligence, a. I. , is changing the rules affecting nearly every aspect of our lives. As you have probably heard, its a powerful tool. So powerful its causing a new arms race of sorts. An arms race with consequences that are nothing less than life and death. Heres senior contributor ted koppel. We are on the verge really of a new era. Reporter earlier this year, house and Senate Committees and subcommittees heard a good bit of alarming testimony about the government cannot govern a. I. If it doesnt understand a. I. There are so many questions. Reporter Artificial Intelligence. And china. We are in direct competition with china. We win or they win. The Chinese Communist party understands the potential for a. I. To disrupt warfare. Its their apollo project. They have Civil Military fusion which says the government can demand the cooperation of any company, any academic institution, any scientist in support of its military. Reporter thats michele flournoy, undersecretary of defense in the obama administration. We have a very different approach. We have a truly private sector, and individuals and scientists and academics and Companies Get to choose whether they want to contribute to national security. Reporter which may be as good a place as any to slow down for a moment. Because if we are going to understand the future of Artificial Intelligence in national security, it may help to take a look back to when a. I. Was proving its potential on a couple of board games. In 1997, widely regarded as one of the greatest chest masters of all time, accepted a challenge from ibms deep blue. He won that first game, but that was it. He is doing strange things right now. He seems to be talking to himself. Whoa he has resigned. Reporter from one level he must have seen coming. He looks like he is facing his own executioners. Reporter the ancient game of go is hugely top lapopular in asia, even more complicated than chess. This young south korean was considered perhaps the greatest go player in the world. The awardwinning documentary kwoel alpha go captured the media frenzy in 2016 before the first of five challenge matches between him and a specially designed a. I. Program. They were crushed four games to one. He slapped himself on the side of the head. Reporter but what was a staggering headlinemaking event only a few years ago is already little more than a footnote in the evolution of Artificial Intelligence. Which left poker. Headsup, no limit, texas hold em. People get to lie in poker. Decisions have to be made on imperfect information, which is precisely what attracted the attention of tuomas sandholm, a professor of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon. In the sense that the other players know things that i dont know, and i know things that the other players dont know. Reporter in 2017, the team at Carnegie Mellon issued a challenge to four professional poker players, including jasonlis. We really wanted to fight for humanity and show that our beloved game of poker was so complex that humans had an edge over a. I. Reporter does a. I. Play like a human . It played very much unlike a human. And a. I. Can know that its going to play a certain hand 13 . Time and have a much more complex strategy than a human mind is able to have. Reporter but you were representing humanity and you lost. Rubbing salt in the wound. I had forgotten by now. Yes, we wanted to demonstrate that this game was so complex that a. I. Had not quite gotten there yet. Losing to that a. I. Made me realize that this technology had gotten very advanced. The techniques that we developed were not really techniques for solving poker per se. They were techniques for solving imperfect information, games more generally. Reporter basically, poke ser a civilized, relatively civilized form of warfare . That is a good way to put it. We are not out there with guns, tanks and planes, but we are out there with chips and cards and we are waging battle there. Its still at the end of the day a strategy game. Reporter having sharpened those skills on poker, professor sandholms a. I. Company, strategy robot the behaviors are playing out how we would expect. Reporter now work as pentagon contractors. Filling in the gaps of imperfect information. We are trying to help the nation and our allies have superior a. I. Capability for this type of decision making. Reporter i am assuming that kind of information is being funneled to the Ukrainian Military . I cant comment on that. Reporter okay. But whatever you have, you give to the pentagon. What the pentagon does with it thats right. Reporter thats none of your business . It is our business. I just cant talk about it. Reporter okay. But is it fair to say that some of the same principles that are applied to a. I. Playing poker are now being applied to a war that is being fought . The current war, i cant comment. For military strategy operations and tactics in general, yes. Reporter yes. A. I. In war fighting is already a foregone conclusion. For the moment, though, u. S. Policy insists that there will always be human oversight. Artificial intelligence, its all we hear about, read about, see. Overhyped . Yes and no. Reporter and there is a new office at the pentagon under the cautious guidance of dr. Craig martell to ensure that the policy is implemented. My office has a pretty unique role. We will provide guardrails and policies that say if you are going to acquire a. I. , heres what its like to do it responsibly. If you deploy a. I. , here is how you have to evaluate it. Reporter what that boils down to is a question of confidence when the wrong decision will cost lives. So imagine an a. I. Told a commander, do action a. And then the commander, through all his or her training said do action b. What should that commander do . Listen to that machine or should the commander listen to his or her training and intuition . Reporter excellent question. Whats your answer . If the d. O. D. Is good at one thing, we are good at training. Training, training, training, training. If the commander got used to trusting the machine, then the commander may trust the machine. If the commander got used to not trusting the machine reporter if that sounds like a gigantic waffle, it is. But it also has the additional virtue of containing more than a grain of truth. Jason list, the dethroned poker champion, speaks from personal experience. I could take you back to the beginning of this a. I. Challenge. A. I. Told me how to play a hand a certain way, i would have believed from my experience what the a. I. Was telling me this is not good advice and my conventional wisdom and my understanding of strategy was the most optimal. However, over time, playing against the a. I. , for thousands of hands, finally got confidence built up and eventually its trusted for these higherstakes decisions. The thing that keeps me up at night is really what if in this military settings we fall behind. For example, china. In our decision make, a. I. Technology. Reporter do you think thats happening . I think china has caught up with the a. I. With the u. S. Overall and we are kind of on par riht now. I think military a. I. China has much better pickup in actually adopting a. I. In the military. I dont think we know exactly how fast they are moving. Reporter thats former undersecretary of defense michele flournoy. I think we cannot afford to take our foot off the gas. When you think about a china scenario, if chinas moving against taiwan, if you wait until they are actually attacking taiwan to have that sense of urgency and respond, its going to be over before the first new piece of whatever you think you need actually arrives. So, to me, that means that we havent fully absorbed the urgency of doing this. Reporter which is precisely what makes this next statement and it does accurately reflect u. S. Policy difficult to accept. We have got to proceed with development, but with a very strong ethical enormative framework in place that ensures that the only a. I. We actually deploy for military purposes is safe, is secure, is responsible, is explainable, is trustworthy. But this notion that a. I. Is going to be making large campaignlevel decisions in warfare, i dont see that, given our values as a democracy, giving the norms that we have established already. Reporter and yet, when we come up against the competition and we come to believe that our competitors are not being bound by the same ethical guidelines, what do you do . If an adversary uses a weapon for, you know, that creates massive civilian casualties or things that are equivalent to war crimes, we dont say, okay, we have to do that, too. We call them out on it and we try to sanction them. Reporter i am not sure i accept that. There simply been too many times, going back to 1945 and the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, when we clearly were not bound by those kinds of strictchures. Thats fair ar. Reporter and when we feel that an adversary is gaining advantages over us, im not all together confident that we would remain bound by those kinds of strictures. My hope would be that we wouldnt abandon the same principles as they did, because at the end of the day how we fight says a lot about who we are. Reporter precisely the argument made last summer when the Biden Administration sent a shipment of cluster bombs, banned by more than 120 countries, to ukraine. Why now . Running out of ammunition. Reporter the issue before us, though, is human oversight of all military a. I. Programs. The mistakes that i see in life, almost all are made by humans. Reporter professor sandholm again. People think there should be human over sight of a. I. , which i do believe there should be human oversight of a. I. , but also a. I. Over sight of humans. It should be both directions, and that balance of oversight is going to shift over time. Reporter there is, when you think about it, a pattern that different Artificial Intelligence programs established in the games they won over the very best players in the world. In poker, in go, and in chess, hardly anyone believed that it could happen whoa reporter until, of course, it did. Has resigned. Thats right. You must believe they are better at decisionmaking than they really are. Atat cretors, we handcdcraft everyry batch of our delelicious popopcorn. Like our cretors cheese and caramel mix. Great on their own, even better together. Try cretors, handcrafted smallbatch popcorn. Deep in my heart i do believe we shall overcome day thats just one of the songs that inspired a generation back in the 1960s. All these years later, the legendary joan baez is still at it, but as tracy smith found out, singing isnt her only talent. As i remember your eyes were bl blue my fortune was reporter for 60 years, joan baez traveled the world raising her clear soprano voice in song and in protest. And if you are offering me diamonds and rust ive already paid reporter but in 2018, she toured for the last time and came home to this little slice of paradise near San Francisco. Where she feels free to express a less serious side. You are the farthest thing from a women. Witch. There are good witches. Reporter if she is a witch, she has magic to spare. Along with singing, baez has been drawing upside down and writing backwards since she was a kid. Make it interesting. Reporter and now she has put her drawings in a book. Paul simon. Reporter also been painting portraits. Willie. Willie never got finished. Its definitely willie. Reporter and she is taking a fresh look at herself in a new documentary opening in theaters nationwide next week called joan baez i am a noise. Did you know going in that you would reveal these secrets . Going in was, why dont we do something about joans last tour . And i decided i really wanted to leave an honest legacy about everything. So thats when i gave the directors a key to my storage unit. Reporter her mother saved everything. Home movies. Letters. Drawings. But joan had never even looked at it. When i go in there, its the first time i have been there. I pitched myself into a sea of memories and headed blindly for the marrow of the inner core me. Dark, dark, dark. The answer my friend is blowing in the wind reporter joan baezs public life is well documented. 40 studio and live albums, just about every music honor there is, including her 2017 induction no into the rock roll hall of fame. Amazing grace reporter and decades of concerts and marches and human rights causes. We shall overcome. We shall overcome reporter you were there for the march on washington in 1963 with dr. Martin luther king. Were you hopeful then . I was smart then. And i was smart enough to know that we shall overcome did not mean probably in this lifetime. So i was dug in. I mean, i knew this was going to be a long battle. Reporter in the 1960s, she toured with a fellow warrior. Bob dylan. They fell in love, but it didnt last. You said that bob dylan broke your heart . Probably the deepest ive ever felt for somebody. I think when somebody walks away from you, you feel a lot more than if you walk away from them. And i got walked away from in a big way, and it was hard to get over. Hi, bob. Reporter in 1967, baez was arrested for blocking the entrans to military induction centers in oakland, california. The journalist and antivietnam war activist david harris visited her in jail. You two got married. You got pregnant. Then he went to prison . Mmhmm. Reporter that is a rough way to start a marriage. Yeah, it was not ideal. For me, somebody who wanted to be the perfect wife and perfect mother and all of that, it was none of it really was possible. But, you know, chickens. Reporter the chicken just wants to comment. He is at the door. Hello, ladies. Reporter seems fitting that joan baez has a flock of chickens. She says she does better with crowds than oneonone. The oneonone was too difficult. The one on 2,000, not such a problem. Reporter she and david harris divorced amicably in 1973 and she is happily single. Wi dont want to take on one more thing, trying to find the appropriate partner. Seems such an exhausting idea. I quit. Reporter baez and her son gabriel have stayed close, but she says her relationship with her own parents was complicated and her Mental Health often suffered. I walk out on the stage and, oh, she looks so peaceful. Exactly the opposite of what was going on inside. Reporter in the documentary, baez reveals that as adults she and her sister mimi came to believe their father been sexually inappropriate with them when they were children. She cant remember all the details and her parents both denied it happened. Many parents who have been involved in this cycle and their kids accuse them, they dont remember. I wanted to remember. I couldnt until i was 50 years old. And they blocked it out richltz now that her parents and her sister are gone, baez felt it was a secret she needed to share. Most people with a lot of this stuff are not going to talk about it. And then you cant really heal, i dont think, without being able to express yourself. Letting the secrets out in the way we did it has opened some doors for people, which is like icing on the cake for me. Say when. When. Reporter here is another less painful secret she is just now sharing us with. At 82, joan baez has a new voice. I have discovered really recently that im happy in this Little Pocket of vocalizing. Reporter where is it . Really, really low. Reporter maybe a blessing . Its a blessing. I have been enjoying it. Im not the one you want, babe im not the one you need reporter thats it aint me babe by her old friend bob dylan. Youre looking for someone who will promise never to part reporter joan baez is still using her voice in other ways, too. In june she went with a childrens nonprofit to ukraine. But the woman who spent most of her life on the road and in the trenches has found a certain quiet she she never knew before. Are you at peace . Yeah. Able to conduct myself in a certain way that i feel at peace with a lot of things i wouldnt have dreamed. I finally realized i dont have to solve everybodys problems and make world peace and do a concert all at once. What a relief. I can breathe instead. She e runs and p plays lilike a puppypy again. Hihis 2s are e perfect hes a a brand newew dog, all in lesess than a y year. When peoplple switch their r dogs foodod from kie to the fararmers dog,g, they oftenen say thatat it feels s like mag. But therees no magicic invol. dogog bark itits simply y fresh meatt and vegegetables, with a all the nututrients dodogs need instead ofof dried pelellet. 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There is nothing like it for me. Reporter he covers every square inch of every page in his notebooks. Look at this crazy page. Reporter look, but not up close. He is uncomfortable, even a little bit superstitious about letting a camera capture something so intimate and personal. This is trust. This is trust. This is book two of trust. Reporter the handwritten manuscript of the novel that just won him the Pulitzer Prize. Absolutely brilliant. Reporter and international bestseller, published in 35 languages. Trust is about how money is made. The kaleidoscopic telling of the same story in four different voices. One novel in four books. I think the most pleasurable book to write was the first one, because i came up with a that allowed me to write in this ab obsolete, beautiful tone. I was so happy. Reporter think Edith Whartons novels about wealth and class during the gilded age at the end. 19th century. She is a major influence in my writing, the way of thinking about prose and the appronovel form. Reporter his home, the mount in lenox, massachusetts, is where diazs book event took place. Her family was part of the privileged class called old new york society. Her father did not work. His family money came from his grandfather who made it in shipping. Lucretia, the mothers family, dated back to the mayflower. Reporter a moneyed world where money isnt mentioned. But it does speak. In other words, exactly the kind of world that the stratospherically rich fictional tycoon in trust comes from. My job is about being right always and if im ever wrong, i will use all the means at my disposal to bend and align reality in such a way that my mistake ceases to be a mistake. Reporter thats a shocking notion. It is a shocking notion. Reporter in the style of the great man memoir, he pontificates about manipulating markets during the crazy booming 1920s. And then again when wall street crashes in 1929, his fortune growing exponentially while other people are ruined. Then diaz twists the kaleidoscope. So readers see the mans wife through her diary. As i started reading about American Finance and the history of money making in america, it became absolutely apparent that this was a male world, an utterly womanless world, and it was crushing also during my research and going through the papers of these, the wives of real american tycoons, to see how suffocating and claustrophobic most of their lives were. Reporter diaz researchers like the ph. D. Scholar he is. And then sets about mythbusting, taking tropes of the american story and picking them apart. I am lucky to live a few blocks away from here. So i got to inhabit the world of the novel and one of my main characters lives there, was big italian enclave that way, and then over there, of course, is the financial district. Reporter a universe not just a river apart at the time the events of the book take place. The difference between this and this. The book is very much interested in this dissonance, in this contrast of these two realities on either side of the east river. I am the son of italian immigrants. They went to buenos aries, argentina, but they could just as well have ended here in brooklyn. And i dont think you can write about new york city without writing about immigration. This is a city of immigrants, all of us. Reporter there is the statue of liberty. 50 now, hernan diaz moved to sweden at the age of 2. His parents forced to flee argentina after a military coup. We spoke spanish at home. I spoke swedish out in the world. I went to grade school there and then with the return of democracy, we all moved back to argentina. I cant say i was happy at the time. It was very hard for me. And i think the decision to move at age 23, 24, first to london, where i lived for a couple of years, and then to brooklyn, here, where i have been over 25 years now, had to do, you know, with choosing my own linguistic home, tand that was english. I love the sound of english, music of english. I love the things my face has to do to speak english. It feels good. There was a life saver. A true refuge. Reporter hernan diaz also loves libraries. This is your special this is it. This is where it all happened. Reporter particularly his favorite spot in this one at the center for brooklyn history near his home. Most of the things that i have written since i moved to this neighborhood, which was in 2010, i have written in this room. Reporter for years, without recognition. It was a sad, dark, long stretch of my life, you know, under the cold shadow of rejection that went on for really, really, really long time. And i kept writing just out of sheer love of language, and sentences. Reporter until at last a miracle of validation. He sent the book he wrote in these red notebooks to a Small Publisher in minneapolis. To have one day a year where they accept unsolicited submissions. Reporter his lucky day. They took it on without any kind of questions. Reporter and your reaction . There were a lot of tears. Reporter his novel in the distance an eerie genre bending western named a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 2018. And then this year he won for trust. Over the course of five years, these two massive things happened. Its a lot to take in really. But my goals have not changed. My goal is always that the sentence that im writing is as beautiful as it can be. Reporter like this one. At the end of trust words peeling off from things, in and out of sleep like a needle coming out from under a black cloth and then vanishing again. Unthreaded. Wolflf dont mimind me. Im justst the flu. c coughing, s sneezin im ququite harmleless, rereally. 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