Transcripts For KRON Vice Presidential Debate 20240712

Making history. Shes become the first black woman to stand on a Vice President ial debate stage the night officer, a prime opportunity to energize would be voters. She is the daughter of a jamaican father, an indian mother shes also served as the District Attorneys of San Francisco and then. The attorney general of the state of california. Harris is pointed questioning of the president s appointees in Court Nominees during Senate Hearings and what not have help make her a young star in the democratic born and raised in oakland harriss team predicts she will focus on the president s coronavirus response. They say she will also have the chance to explain her views on Law Enforcement. Area some progressive us have criticized her on as for Vice President pence he aims to highlight the administrations economic record the president has been touting a lot up until the time of the pandemic of course is still so much talk on capitol hill about whats to become of the stimulus package of discussions between the president s. Representatives and the House Speaker nancy pelosi were called to an abrupt halt yesterday by the president. However wants the stock market went down the president did decide to reconsider the possibility of some. Sup stimulus of some kind for the just so you know the debate again is at the university of utah in Salt Lake City the moderator is susan page of usa today shes sitting right there. She and the 2 candidates. Are the only people that will not be Wearing Masks during this debate also interesting during this debate because Vice President mike pence is the chair of the president s task force on the coronavirus it was interesting that the pence aside was reluctant to even agree to the plexiglass despite the fact that some 20 plus white house staffers have been diagnosed with covid19 over the course of the last week theres going to be 9 different segments divided in 2. 10 minute time periods during this 90 minute long debate and obviously even though theres 9 different segments, pam, you would think that covid would be main subject of discussion tonight clearly because not only for the medical reasons but the economic fallout that has taken place since covid the covid outbreak earlier this year is impacted. Every aspect of American Life from top to bottom so many people are still trying to adjust to how life has changed because of covid certainly that will come up during the debate tonight theres been a lot of discussion speculation senator harris who as we mentioned used to be a prosecutor under that general will use those skills to go after the Vice President since he is the the head of the Coronavirus Task force to question him. Pretty sharply on how the president has responded in Salt Lake City welcome to the first and only Vice President ial debate of 2020. Sponsored by the nonpartisan commission on president ial debates. Im susan page of usa today it is my honor to moderate this debate. An important part of our democracy. In Kingsbury Hall tonight, we have a small and socially distant audience and weve taken extra precautions during this pandemic among other things, everyone in the audience is required to wear a face mask and the candidates will be seeded 12 feet apart. The audience is enthusiastic about their candidates. But theyve agreed to express that enthusiasm only twice at the end of the debate and now when i introduce the candidates. Please welcome california senator Kamala Harris and Vice President mike pence. Senator harris and Vice President pence thank you for being here. Were meeting as President Trump in the first lady continue to undergo treatment in washington after testing positive for covid19. We send our thoughts and prayers to them for their rapid and complete recovery and for the recovery of everyone afflicted by the coronavirus. The 2 campaigns and the commission on president ial debates have agreed to the ground rules for tonight. Im here to enforce them on behalf of the millions of americans who are watching. One note. No one in either campaign or at the commission or anywhere else has been told in advance what topics all rays or what questions all ask. This 90 minute debate will be divided into 9 segments of about 10 minutes each. All began the segment by posing a question to each of you sometimes the same question sometimes a different question on the same topic you will then have 2 minutes to answer without interruption by me or the other candidate. They will take 6 minutes or so to discuss the issue at that point although there will always be more to say well move on to the next topic. We want a debate that is lively but americans also deserve a discussion that is civil. These are Tumultuous Times but we can and will have a respectful exchange about the big issues facing our nation. Lets begin with the ongoing pandemic that has cost our country so much. Senator harris the coronavirus is not under control. Over the past week Johns Hopkins reports that 39 states have had more covid cases over the past 7 days than in the week before 9 states have set new records even if a vaccine is really soon the next administration will face hard choices. But what a Biden Administration due in january and february than a Trump Administration wouldnt do would you impose new lockdowns for businesses and schools and hot spots. A federal mandate to wear masks. You have 2 minutes to respond without interruption thank yous isnt. Well the American People have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any president ial administration in history of our country. And here are the facts. 210,000 dead people in our country in just the last several months. Over 7 Million People have contracted this disease. One in 5 businesses were looking at frontline workers who have been treated like sacrificial workers. We are looking at over 30 Million People. When the last several months had to file for unemployment. And heres the thing. On january 28th. Vice president and the president more informed. About the nature of this pandemic they were informed that its lethal and consequence that it is airborne. That it will affect young people. And that it would be contracted because it is airborne. And they knew what was happening and they didnt tell you. Can you imagine if you know on january 28th as opposed to march 13th what they knew what you might have done to prepare. They knew and they covered it up. The president said it was a hoax. They minimize the seriousness of it. The president said youre on one side of his letter if you wear a mask on the other side of his ledger if you dont. In spite of all of that today they still dont have a plan. They still dont have a plan will joe biden does and our plan is about what we need to do around a national strategy. For Contact Tracing for testing for an administration of the vaccine and making sure that it will be free for all. That is the plan that joe biden that i have knowing that we have to get a hold of what has been going on and we need to save our country and joe biden is the best to do that and frankly this administration has forfeited thank you sarah right to reelection based on us, thank you senator harris. Vice president pence more than 210,000 americans have died of covid19 since february. The u. S. Death toll as a percentage of our population is higher than that of almost every other wealthy nation on earth. For instance or death rate is 2 and a half times that of canada next door. You had the administrations Coronavirus Task force. Why is the u. S. Death toll as a percentage of our population higher than that of almost every other wealthy country. And you have 2 minutes to respond without interruption says and thank you and i want to thank the commission and the university of utah for. Hosting this event senator harris. Its privilege to be on the stage with you. In our nations gone through a very challenging time this year. But i want the American People to know. From the very first day. President donald trump has put the health of America First. Before there were more than 5 cases in the United States. All people who had returned from china. President donald trump did what no other american president had ever done. That was he suspended all travel from china, the second largest economy in the world. Senator Joe Biden Biden opposed that decision. He said it was enough it and hysterical. I can tell you having led the white house Coronavirus Task force that that decision alone by President Trump. Bottas in valuable time to stand up the greatest national mobilization. Since world war 2. And i believe it saved hundreds of thousands of american lives because with that time we were able to reinvent testing more than a 115 million tests have been done to date. We were able to see delivery of billion of supplies so are doctors and nurses had the resources support they needed. And we began really before the month of february was or to develop a vaccine and develop medicines and therapeutics and saving lives all along the way. Under President Trumps leadership operation warp speed we believe will have. Literally 10s of millions of doses of the vaccine before the end of this year. The reality is when you look at the biden plan it reads an awful lot. Like what President Trump and i and our task force have been doing every step of the way quite frankly. When i look at their plan that talks about vance testing creating new ppe developing a vaccine. It looks a little bit like plagiarism which is im joe biden knows a little bit about i think the American People know that this is a president who has put bank America First in the American People i believe with my heart can be that youre out of the sacrifices they have made its safe. Thank you mister last. Senator harris like to respond whatever the Vice President is claiming the administration has done clearly it hasnt worked. When youre looking at over 210,000 dead bodies in our country. American lives. That have been lost families that are grieving that loss. And you know. The Vice President is the head of the task force. And new on january 28 how serious this was and then the banks to bob woodward. We learned they know about it and then when that was exposed. The Vice President said when asked why did all tell anybody. He said because the president wanted people to remain calm. Well lets go i dont know that says night this mister Vice President speaking i have if seconds and then well give the Vice President want to ask the American People how calm were you when you were panicked about where youre going to get you next 1212 paper. How calm were you when your kids were sent home from school and you didnt know when they could go back how kind you when your childrens couldnt see your parents because you are afraid they could kill them. Lets give Vice President pence a chance to respond vice lresident you have one minute go theres not a day gone by that i havent thought of every American Family thats lost a loved one. And i want all of you to know that youll always be in our hearts. And in our prayers. But when you say with the American People have done over these last 8 months hasnt worked. Its a great disservice. The sacrifices. The American People of maine. Im reality if im if i may finish that. The reality is doctor fauci said. Everything that he told the president in the oval office, the president told the American People. Now President Trump i will tell you has boundless confidence in the American People and he always spoke with confidence that we get through this together when you say it hasnt worked. Doctor fauci and doctor birx in our medical experts came to us in the second week of march. They said if the president didnt take the unprecedented step of shutting down roughly half of the American Economy that we could lose 2. 2 million. Americans thats the reality. Thank you they also to us if we did everything right susan we could still lose more than 200,000 americans one life lost is staying many susan but the American People i believe deserve credit for the sacrifices that they have made putting the health of their family and their neighbors first or doctors or nurses or first thank you president pence and im going to speak up on behalf of what the American People have done president ensure in the front row in a rose garden event 11 days ago, what seems to have been a super spreader event for Senior Administration congressional officials. No social distancing. Few mask and now a cluster of coronavirus cases among those who were there. How can you expect americans to follow the administrations safety guidelines to protect themselves from covid. When you at the white house have not been doing so. Well the American People have demonstrated over the last 8 months. They were given the facts theyre willing to put the health of their families and their neighbors and people they dont even know first. President trump and i have great confidence in the American People and. And their ability to take that information and put it into practice in the height of the epidemic. When we were losing. A heartbreaking number of 2,500 americans today. Research resources to new jersey and new york and new orleans and detroit we told the American People would need to be done in the American People made the sacrifices when the outbreak in the sun belt happen this summer again american step forward. But the reality is the work. The president of the United States goes on vacancy on the Supreme Court of the United States. Has come upon us and the president introduced judge amy coney serving q. Thank if i may say that rose garden of them. Then her deal of speculation about it. My wife, karen and i were there an honor to be there. Many of the people who are at that event suzanne actually were tested. First and it was an outdoor event which all of our scientists regularly and routinely advised. The difference here is President Trump and trust the American People to make choices in the best interest of there. Health, joe biden and Kamala Harris consistently talk about mandates and not not just mandates with the coronavirus but a government takeover of health. Thank you thank you very new deal. All government control were about freedom and respecting the freedom of the American People lets talk about respecting the American People. You respect the American People tell them the truth. You respect the American People and the courage which leaders speaking of those things that you may not want people to hear but they need to hear so they can protect themselves. But this administration stood on information that if you had as a parent if you had as a worker knowing you didnt have enough money saved up and now youre standing in the food line. Of the of administration that was unwilling to speak the truth to the American People. So lets talk about caring about the American People the American People have to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration is asking too much of the people were too much of the people. But they would not be equipped with the information they need to help themselves to protect perez Kamala Harris senator harris, i mean im no no you senators to me. For life to get back to normal. Doctor Anthony Fauci and other experts say that most of the people who can be vaccinated need to be vaccinated but half of americans now say they wouldnt take a vaccine if it was released now. If the Trump Administration approves a vaccine before or after the election should americans. Take it and would you take it. If the Public Health professionals if doctor fauci if the doctors. Tell us that we should take it will be the first in line to take it absolutely but if Donald Trump Tells shut and that was taken on not taking it. Vice president pence thereve been a lot of repercussions from this pandemic in recent days, the president s diagnosis of covid19 has underscored the importance of the job that you hold and that you are seeking. Thats our second topic tonight, its the role of the Vice President. One of the will make history on january 20th we be the Vice President to the oldest president the United States has ever had dbnald trump will be 74 years old on inauguration day. Joe biden will be 78 years old that already has raised concerns among some voters concerns that have been sharpened by President Trumps hospitalization in recent days. Vice president pence have you had a conversation reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards are procedures when it comes to the issue of president ial disability enough not. Do you think you should you have 2 minutes without interruption. Most thank you, although i would like to go back. I do need to move on issue that i would like to go back because the reality is that were going to have a vaccine. Senator in record time in unheard of time in less than a year. We have 5 companies in phase 3 clinical trials. And were right now producing 10s of millions of doses. Fact that you continue to undermine Public Confidence in a vaccine. If the vaccine emerges during the Trump Administration i think is it is unconscionable. Senator i just ask you. Some playing politics with peoples lives. The reality is that we will have a vaccine we believe before the end of this year. And it will have the capacity to see countless american lives and in your continuous undermining of confidence and a vaccine is just its just unacceptable. Let me also say. You know the reality is when you talk about about failure in this administration. We actually do know what failure looks like in a pandemic. It was 2009. The swine flu arrived in the United States. Thankfully it was ended up me not being is lethal. As the coronavirus. But before the end of the year. When joe biden Vice President of the United States. Not 7 and a half Million People contracted swine flu. 60 million americans contracted the swine flu. If the swine flu had been as lethal as the coronavirus in 2009. When joe biden was Vice President we would have lost 2 million american lives. His own chief of staff ron klain would say last year. It was pure luck. They did quote Everything Possible wrong. And and we learned from that. He left the Strategic National stockpile empty. They an empty in hollow plan, but we thank you i chief will not see again can be tense. Im sorry we have done. And senator please. Thank undermine confidence, vaccine senator harris. Let me ask you the same question that i answer. Vice president pence which is have you had a conversation or reached an agreement with Vice President biden about safeguards are procedures when it comes to the issue of president ial disability enough not and if you win the election next month. Do you think you should you have 2 minutes uninterrupted. So let me tell you first of the day i got a call from joe biden it was actually has a recall. Asking me to serve with him on a stick it was probably one of most memorable memorable days of my i you know. I thought about my mother. Who. Came to the United States at the age of 19. Gave birth to me at the age of 25. A Kaiser Hospital in oakland california. The thought that id be sitting here right i know make her proud she must be looking down on us. You know, joe and i were raised in a very similar way. We were raised with the values that are about hard work. About the value and the dignity of Public Service. And about the importance of fighting for the dignity of all people and i think joe asked me to serve with him because. You know i have a career that included the elected the first woman District Attorney to San Francisco. Where i created models of innovation for for Law Enforcement in terms of reform of the criminal Justice System i was elected. The first. Woman of color and black woman to be elected attorney general the state of california where and the second Largest Department of justice in the United States, second only to the United States department of justice. There i took on everything from Transnational Criminal Organizations to the big banks that were taking advantage of homeowners to 4 profit colleges that were taking advantage of veterans and then of course now i serve in the United States senate is only the second black woman ever elected to the United States senate i serve on the Senate Intelligence committee where ive been regular receipt of classified information about threats to our nation and hot spots around the world, ive traveled the world, ive met with our soldiers and our in war zones. And i think joe has asked me to serve with him because he knows that we share. We share a purpose which is about lifting up the American People and after the 4 years that we have seen of donald trump unifying our country around our common values and principles, thank you senator harris unity that neither President Trump nor Vice President biden has really sort of. Detailed Health Information that had become the modern norm until the 2016 election. In recent days, President Trumps doctors have given misleading answers or refused to answer basic questions about his health. And my question to each of you in turn is is this information. Voters deserve to know Vice President pence would you like to go first. Susan thank you. And let me let me say on behalf of the president. And the first lady. I move weve all been. By the outpouring of prayers and concern. And for the president and i do believe its emblematic of the prayers and the concern that should force for every american impacted. And by the coronavirus. But the care the president received at walter reed hospital. White House Doctors was exceptional. And the transparency that they practiced all along the way will continue. The American People have a right to know about the health and wellbeing other president and will continue to do that. But im just extremely grateful and was more than more than a little moved. By the broad and bipartisan support and as senator i want to thank you and joe biden for your expressions, genuine concern and i also want to congratulate you. As i did on that phone on this historic nature of your nomination. I i never expected to be on this stage 4 years ago so i know the feeling the reality is. Weve got an election before the American People in the midst of this challenging year. And the stakes have never been i want to give senator harris a chance to respond to the same. Question i asked which is do voters have a right to know more detailed Health Information about president ial candidates in especially about president s, especially when theyre facing some kind of challenge absolutely and thats why joe biden has been so incredibly transparent and certainly by contrast. The president has not. Both in terms of Health Records but also lets look at taxes. We now know because of great investigative journalism. The donald trump paid 750 in taxes when i first heard about it i literally said you mean 750,000 and it was like note, 750. We now know donald trump owes. And is in debt. For 400 Million Dollars and just so everyone is clear when when we say in debt, it means you owe money to somebody. And then be really good to know who the president of the United States, the commanderinchief owes money to because the American People have a right to know. What is influencing the president s decisions and is he making those decisions on the best interest of the American People of you. Or self interest so so good rest about transparency because it has to be across the board joe has been incredibly transparent over many many years. The one thing we all know about joe he puts it all out there. He he is on us he is forthright. But donald trump on the other hand has been covering up every thanks. Thank you senators. I want to give you a chance to respond first president well look i respect the fact joe biden spent 47 years in public life, i respect your. Public service as well thank you the American People have a president was businessman. So job creator. Whos paid. 10s of millions of dollars in taxes. Payroll taxes property taxes hes crew 10s of thousands of american jobs. The president said those public reports are not accurate and. The president also released literally stacks of financial disclosures. The American People can review just as the law allows but the distinction here is that joe biden 47 years in Public Service compared to President Donald Trump who brought all of that experience 4 years ago incubated thank you turning this economy around by cutting taxes rolling back regulation. Thank you thank you guys for energy fighting for free and fair trade and all think you President Joe Biden and kamel harris, you know thats a good segue into our 3rd topic which is about the economy this is been another aspect of life for americans its been so affected. By this coronavirus we have a jobs Crisis Brewing on friday. We learned that the Unemployment Rate to decline to 7. 9 in september. But the job growth that stalled and that was before the latest round of layoffs and furloughs in the Airline Industry at disney and elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands of discouraged workers have stopped looking for work. Nearly 11 million jobs that existed at the beginning of the year havent been replaced. Those hardest hit include that he knows blacks and women. Senator harris, the Biden Harris Campaign has proposed new programs to boost the economy and you would pay for that. New spending by raising 4 trillion dollars in taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations. Some economists warn that could curb entrepreneurial ventures that fuel growth and create jobs would raising taxes put the recovery at risk and you have 2 minutes to answer an interrupted. Thank you. On the issue of the economy and i think there couldnt be a more fundamental difference between donald trump and joe biden. Joe biden believes you measure the health and the strength of americas economy based on the health and the strength of the American Worker and the American Family. On the other hand you have donald trump measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing. Which is why he passed a tax bill benefiting the top one percent and the biggest corporations of america, leading to a 2 trillion dollar deficit that the American People to have to pay for. On day one joe biden well repeal that tax bill will get rid of it. And what hell do with the money is invested in the American People. And through a plan that is about investing in infrastructure, something that donald trump said he would do i remember hearing about some infrastructure week out think it ever happened. But joe biden will do that hell invest in infrastructure. Its about upgrading our roads and bridges but also investing in clean energy and Renewable Energy joe is going to invest that money in what we need to do around innovation. There was a time when our country believed in science. And invested in research and development. So that we were in of innovation leader on the glow joe biden will use that money to invest in education. So for example for folks who want to go to a twoyear Community College it will be free if you come from a family that makes less than a 125,000 will go to a Public University for free. And across the board will make sure that if you have student loan debt, its cut by 10,000. Thats how joe biden thinks about the economy which is its about investing in the people of our country as opposed to passing a tax bill which had the benefit of letting american corporations go offshore to do their business. Thank you harris. Vice president pence your administration has been predicting a rapid and robust recovery. But the latest economic report suggests thats not happening. Should americans be braced for an economic comeback that is going to take not months but a year or more you have 2 minutes to answer an interruption. President trump took office, america gone through the slow us economic recovery since the Great Depression. So joe biden as Vice President to try to tax and spend and regulate and bail our way back to a growing economy. President trump cut taxes across the board. Despite what senator harris says the average American Family of 4 had 2000 in savings in taxes. With the rise in wages that occurred most predominantly for blue collar, hard working americans. The average Household Income for a family of 4 increased by 4,000 following President Trumps tax cuts but america you just heard senator harris tell you on day one. Joe bidens going to raise your taxes. Its really remarkable the is that i mean right after time were going through a pandemic that last 22 million jobs at the hyde weve already added back 11. 6 million jobs. Because we had a president who cut taxes roll back regulation unleashed American Energy fought for free and fair trade and secured 4 trillion dollars from the congress of the United States to give direct payments to families say 50 million jobs through the paycheck protection program. We literally have spared no expense to help the American People in the American Worker through this joe biden and Kamala Harris want to raise taxes. They want to bury our economy under a 2 trilliondollar Green New Deal which you are one of the original cosponsors of in the United States senate. We want to abolish fossil fuels and banned fracking which would cost hundreds of thousands of american jobs all across the heartland and joe biden wants to go back to the economic surrender to china that when we took office half of our International Trade deficit was with china alone. Joe biden wants to repeal all of the tariffs. The President Trump put into effect to fight for american jobs and American Workers. Joe biden says democracy is on the ballot. Make no mistake about it susan. The American Economy. The american comeback is on the ballot. With 4 more years of growth thank yous opportunity for more years of President Donald Trump. 2020 we can as economic here in the history of this country, thank you Vice President pence. Senator harris. Well i that we saw enough of it in last weeks debate. But i think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth and the truth and the fact is joe biden has been very clear. He will not raise taxes on anybody makes less than 400,000 pounds ayear peel the trump tax cuts mister Vice President speaking. Well im speaking the important he said the truth. Joe biden said twice in the debate last week that hes going to repeal the trump tax cuts. That was tax cuts that gave the average working family. 2000 in a tax break every single you have senator that is asked the not true as you really got is the only going to repeal part of the trump tax cuts if you dont mind letting me finish. We can have a conversation okay, hes okay. Joe biden will not raise taxes on anyone who makes less than 400,000 a year has been very clear about that joe biden will not and fracking he has been very clear about that. Joe biden. Is the one who during the Great Recession was responsible. For the recovery act that brought america back and now the trump. Hence administration wants to take credit. When they ran when they wrote the court coattails of joe biden success for the economy that they had at the beginning of their term of course now the economies of complete disaster. But joe biden on the one hand did that on the other hand you have donald trump. Who has reigned over recession that is being compared to the Great Depression on the one hand you have joe biden who was responsible with president barack obama for the Affordable Care act which brought health care to over 20 million americans and protect the people with preexisting conditions and what it also did is it safe to those families who otherwise were going bankrupt. Because of hospital bills they could not afford on the other hand, if donald trump was in court right now trying to get rid of thank yous trying to get rid of the Affordable Care act which means that you will lose protections if you have preexisting conditions and i just this is very important says mps and its and we need to give and we need to devise for just like he interrupted me and id like to just finish please. If you have a preexisting condition. Heart disease diabetes breast cancer. Theyre coming for you. If you love someone who has a preexisting condition they are interview if you are under the age of 26 on their parents coverage theyre coming for you senator harris, thank you want to give you a chance to respond, we have a chance to talk about health care because obamacare was a disaster. The American People remember well. President trump and i have a plan to improve health care and for present protect preexisting conditions for every american. Senator harris youre entitled to your own opinion. But youre not entitled to your own facts. You yourself said on multiple occasions when you are running for president. The eu would ban fracking. Joe biden looked a supporter in the eye and pointed and said i guarantee i guarantee we will abolish fossil fuels. They have a 2 trillion dollar version of the Green New Deal susan that your newspaper usa today said really wasnt that varied different from the original Green New Deal. More taxes more regulation banning fracking abolishing fossil fuel crushing American Energy and economic surrendered should china is a prescription for economic decline, President Trump and i will keep america growing the v shape recovery thats underway. Right now well continue with 4 more years of President Donald Trump they think you very very much Vice President pence was again provided the perfect segue to a new topic which is Climate Change. And Vice President pence id like to pose the first question to you. This year weve seen record setting hurricanes in the south another one hurricane delta is now threatening the gulf and we have seen record setting wildfires in the west. Do you believe as the Scientific Community has concluded the manmade Climate Change has made wildfires bigger hotter and more deadly. And it made hurricanes wetter slower and more damaging. You have 2 minutes uninterrupted. Thank you susan. First im very proud of our record on the environment on conservation. According all of the best estimates are our air and land are cleaner than any time ever recorded more water is among the cleanest in the world. And just a little while ago the president signed the outdoors actually the largest investment in our public lands and public parks. In a 100 years. So President Trump has made a commitment to conservation into the environment. Now with regard to Climate Change. The climate is changing. The issue is. Whats the cause and what do we do about it. President trump has made it clear that were going to continue to listen to the science. Now joe biden and Kamala Harris would put us back in the Paris Climate Accord theyd impose the Green New Deal which would crush American Energy would increase the energy cross American Families in their homes and literally would crush american jobs. President trump and i believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong free market economy. You know whats remarkable is the United States has reduced c 02. More the countrys theyre still in the Paris Climate Accord but weve done it through innovation. And weve done it through natural gas and fracking which senator the American People can go look at the record high. I know joe biden says otherwise now as you do. But the both of you repeatedly committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking and so by creating the kind of American Innovation. Were actually steering toward a stronger and better environment with regard to wildfires. President trump and i believe the force management has to be front and center and even governor Gavin Newsome from your state is agreed weve got to work on Forest Management and with regard to hurricanes National Oceanic administration tells us that actually is as different as they are in visit there are no more hurricanes today were a 100 years ago. Thank you, but many of the climate hurricanes and wildfires to try and eyes Green New Deal and President Trump in are going to always playing kirk and workers first. Senator harris as the vicepresident ial who cosponsored the Green New Deal in congress. But Vice President biden said in last weeks debate that he does not support the Green New Deal. But if you look at the Biden Harris Campaign website, it describes the Green New Deal as a crucial framework. What exactly would be the stance of a Bidenharris Administration toward the Green New Deal you have 2 minutes uninterrupted. So first of all i will repeat and the American People now. That joe biden will not ban fracking that is a fact. That is a fact. Repeat that joe biden has been very clear that he thinks about growing jobs which is why he will not increase taxes for anyone who makes less than 400,000 a year. Joe bidens economic plan movies which is a reputable wall street firm has said will create 7 million more jobs. Then Donald Trumps. Part of those jobs that will be created by joe biden are going to be about clean energy and Renewable Energy. Because you see joe understands that the west coast of our country is burning including my home state of california. Joe sees what is happening on the gulf states which are being battered by storms joe has seen and talked with the farmers in iowa. Whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods. And so joe believes again and science ill tell you something suzanne i served when i first got to the senate. On the committee thats responsible for the environment do know this administration. The word science off the web site. And then took that phrase Climate Change off the web site. This we have seen a pattern with this administration which is they dont believe in science and joes plan is about saying were going to deal with it, but were also going to create jobs, donald trump when asked about the wildfires in california. And the question was you know the 5 is telling us is you know donald trump set science doesnt now. Lets talk about who is prepared to lead our country over the course of the next 4 years on what is an existential threat to us as human beings. Joe is about saying were going invest that in Renewable Energy was going to be about the creation of millions of jobs. We will achieve 0 emissions by 2050 Carbon Neutral by 2035 joe has a plan. This has been a lot of talk from the Trump Administration and really it has been to go backward instead of forward. We will also ran to the climate agreement with pride. Senator harris just said that Climate Change is an existential threat. Vice president pence julie the Climate Change poses an existential threat. Is it susan the climate is changing. Well follow the science but. Once senator is denying the fact that theyre going to raise taxes and every american joe biden said twice in the debate last week then on day one it was going to repeal the trump tax cuts, those tax cuts delivered 2000 in tax relief to the average family of 4 across america with regard to banning fracking i just recommend the people look at the record you yourself said repeatedly that you would ban fracking you were the first senate cosponsor of the Green New Deal. And while joe biden denied the Green New Deal susan thank you for pointing out the Green New Deals on their Campaign Website and is usa today said its essentially the same plan as you co sponsored see when she submitted in the senate. And you just heard the senator say that shes going to resubmit america to the Paris Climate Accord the American People have always cherish our environment will continue to cherish and weve made great progress reducing c 02 emissions through American Innovation and the development of natural gas through fracking we dont need a massive 2 trillion dollar Green New Deal that would impose all new mandates on american businesses and American Families thank you joe biden wants to shake your truth, its 4 million. Thank you guys for us business buildings. It makes no sense it will cost jobs. President trump. Thank you guys for America First hes going to put jobs first and were gonna take care of our environment and follow the science issue of job senator harris talk about that. You did the Vice President earlier referred to it as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment. That the president s trade war with china. He lost that trade war you lost it. What ended up happening. Is because of a socalled trade war with china america lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs. Farmers have experienced bankruptcy because of it. We are in a manufacturing recession, because of it. And when we look at where this administration has been. There are estimates that by the end of the term of this administration. They will have lost more jobs than almost any other president ial administration and the American People know what im talking about you know. I think about 20 year olds, you know we have a 20 yearold was 20 something year old. Coming out of high school and college right now and youre wondering is there going to be a job there for me. Were looking at people who are trying to figure out. How theyre going to pay rent by the end of the month almost half of American Renters are worried about whether theyre going to be able to pay rent by the end of the month, this is where the economy is in america right now and it is because of the catastrophe and the failure of leadership of this administration thank you senator harris and Vice President has somebody could just 15 seconds to respond because i want to move on to well love to respond look. Trade war with china joe biden never fought. Joe bidens been a cheerleader for communist china through over the last several decades. And again. Senator harris, your title your opinion youre not entitled to your own facts when joe biden was Vice President we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and president obama said they were never coming back, he said we need a magic wand to bring them back in our first 3 years after we cut thank you back regulation unleash American Energy. This administration saw jobs created and thats exactly the kind of growth were going to continue to see as we bring our nation through thank you very miss. 3 new video you guys passed and then theres your Paris Climate Accord. Its going to kill jobs this time just like it killed i respond very likely a second sunday to move thank you. Joe biden is responsible for saving americas Auto Industry and you voted against it. So lets set the record straight. Thank you. Id like to talk about china. We have as our next topic. We have no more complicated or consequential foreign relationship than the one with china. It is a huge market for american agricultulal goods. Its a potential partner in dealing with Climate Change in north korea. In a video tonight President Trump again blamed it for the coronavirus saying china will pay. Vice president pence how would you describe are our fundamental relationship with china competitors adversaries enemies. You have 2 minutes. Thank you susan. Let me before i leave that let me let me speak to voting records if i can. Everybody knows that nafta cost literally, thousands of american factories to close. We saw automotive jobs go south of the border, President Trump fought. To renegotiate nafta. In the United States mexico, Canada Agreement is now the law of the land. American people deserve to know. Senator Kamala Harris is one of only 10 members of the senate to vote against the usmca. He was a huge win for american autoworkers it was a huge win for american farmers, especially dairy in the upper midwest. But senator you use it didnt go far enough on Climate Change that that you put your your radical environmental agenda. Ahead of american autoworkers and ahead of american jobs the American People deserve to know that is probably why Newsweek Magazine said that that Kamala Harris was the most liberal member of the United States senate in 2019 more liberal than bernie sanders. More and more liberal than any of the shelters in the United States now with regard to china. Susan first and foremost. China is to blame for the coronavirus. And President Trump is not happy about it hes made that very clear made it clear again today. And china and the World Health Organization and not play straight with the American People. They did not let our personnel in the china to get information on the coronavirus until the middle of february. Fortunately President Trump in dealing with china from the outset of this administrations standing up to china that have been taking advantage of america for decades. In the wake of joe bidens cheerleading for china. President trump made that decision before the end of january to suspend all travel from china. And again the American People deserve no joe biden oppose President Trumps decision to suspend all travel from china. He said it was hysterical. He said, thank hands with President Trump pushes over going to continue to stand strong thank you Vice President pence we want to improve the relationship but were going to level the Playing Field and well hold accountable for what they did to america with the Coronavirus Thank you. Senator me ask you the same question that i asked the Vice President. How would you describe our fundamental relationship with china are we competitors. Adversaries enemies. Well have 2 minutes uninterrupted. Susan b. Trump. Administrations. Perspective and approach to china has resulted in the loss of american lives. American jobs. And americas standing. Theres a weird obsession. That President Trump has had with getting rid of whatever accomplishment. Was achieved by president obama and Vice President biden. For example. They created within the white house, an office that basically was responsible for monitoring pandemics. They got away they they got rid of it. Its not true there was a team of disease experts that president obama and Vice President biden dispatched to china. To monitor what is now predictable and what my happened they pulled them out. We now are looking. 210,000 americans who have lost their lives. Lets look at the job situation we mentioned before the trade deal. The trade war. They wanted to call it with china. It resulted in the loss of over 300 manufacturing jobs and a manufacturing recession. And the American Consumer paying thousands of dollars more for goods because of that fail. War that they called it and lets talk about standing up you. A Reputable Research firm. Has done an analysis. That shows that leaders of all of our formally allied countries have now decided that they holding graders steam in respect. Gigi paying. The head of the Chinese Communist party, then they do donald trump. The president of the United States the commanderinchief of the United States. This is where we are today. Because of a failure of leadership by this administration. Senator harris weve seen changes in the in the role of the United States in terms of Global Leadership over the past 4 years. And of course times do change. Sure definition which seems streams with china of course as the Vice President mentioned we strange with our traditional allies in nato and elsewhere. What is your definition of the role of american leadership. In 2020. So. You know, joe is i love talking to joe about a lot of these issues and you know joe i think he said it quite well he says you know Foreign Policy might sound complicated but really its relationships theyre just think about is relationships. So we know this in our personal professional you got keep your word to your friends. At the loyalty of friends people have stood with you got to stand with them. You gotta know were at the series are and keep them in check. But what we have seen with donald trump. Is that he has betrayed our friends. And it in in beach and in and embraced dictators around the world. Lets take for example, russia. So rush i serve on the intelligence committee, the United States senate. Americas Intelligence Community told us russia interfered in the election of the president United States in 2016 and this plan in 2020. Christopher wray the director, fbi said the same. But donald trump the commanderinchief of the United States of america, the first to take the word of Vladimir Putin over the word of the american Intelligence Community. You look at our friends at nato. Hes walked away from agreements you can talk look at the Iran Nuclear Deal. Which now has put us in a position. Where we are less safe because they are building up. What might end up being a significant nuclear. We were in that deal guys we were in the Iran Nuclear Deal with friends with allies around the country and because of Donald Trumps unilateral approach to Foreign Policy coupled with his isolationism. He pulled us out and has made america less safe so susan. Its about relationships and the thing that has always been part of the strength of our nation. In addition to our great military has been that we keep our word but donald trump doesnt understand that because he doesnt understand what it means to be honest. Thank thank thank you senator harris pressures into some chance to respond well. Thank will President Trump kept his word when we move the American Embassy to jerusalem. Capital of the state of israel. Joe biden vicepresident they promised to do that never did. We stood strong with our allies but weve been demanding nato is now contributing more to our common defense than ever before thanks to President Trumps leadership. We strengthen our alliances across the asia pacific. And weve stood strong. Against those who would do us harm. You know when President Trump came into office. Isis had captured an area on the middle east, the size of pennsylvania. President trump. Unleash the american military. And our armed forces destroyed the isis caliphate and took down their leader albaghdadi without one american casualty. Now baghdadi responsible. For the death of thousands. Notably americas hearts today are with the family of kayla mueller. The parents which are here with us tonight in Salt Lake City. 2 of the isis killers. Responsible for killing millers murder were brought to justice in the United States. He had a john was killed on the battlefield along with the other deal. Reality is that. When joe biden was Vice President we had an opportunity. Save kayla miller. Breaks my heart to reflect on about the military came into the oval office presented a plan the so they knew where caylee was. Baghdadi had held for 18 months abuse are mercilessly before the. When joe biden as Vice President they hesitated for a month. When armed forces finally went in it was clear she had been moved 2 days earlier. And her family says with. Hearts are broken heart of every american the the President Donald Trump and then president they believe kayla would be alive today, thank you guys we destroyed the isis caliphate. And you talk about reentering the Iran Nuclear Deal with the last administration transferred 1. 8 billion dollars to the leading state sponsor. Thank you guys terrorism President Donald Trump got us out of the day president and and when Qasim Solemani was traveling to baghdad. Thank you very to americans. President donald trump to thank you Vice President pence america is is safe or our allies are safer in the american know. President donald trump will never hank you Vice President take action i would like to senator harris, a jet chance to respond but not such great lakes because of course are other topics we want to talk about i would like people time yes, thank you please go ahead. Up first of all to the Miller Family that i know about your daughters case and im so sorry. Im so sorry. What happened to her is awful. And it should have never happened. And i know joe feels the same way. And i know that president obama feels the same one. But you mentioned sany lets lets start there. So after the strike on money. There was a counter strike. On our troops in iraq. They suffered serious brain injuries and you know what donald trump dismissed them as. Headaches. And this is about a pattern of Donald Trumps where he has referred. Our men who are serving in our military as suckers and losers. Donald trump who went to arlington cemetery. And stood above the grays of our fallen heroes. And said. Whats in it for them. Because of course you know he only thinks about whats in it for him, lets take what he said about john mccain. A Great American hero. And in in donald trump says. He doesnt deserve be called a hero because he was a prisoner of war. Take and this is this is very important when you want to talk about who is the current commander in chief and what they care about and what they dont care about. Public reporting that russia had bounties on the heads. Of american soldiers and you know what about its somebody puts a price on your head and they will pay it if you are killed, and donald trump had talked at least 6 times to Vladimir Putin. And never brought up the subject. Joe biden would never do that thank joe biden would but but joe biden. Would hold russia to account for any threat. To our nations security or to our troops who are sacrificing their lives for the sake of our democracy and our say thank you says senator harris, this is such an important issue but we have other important issues as well and want to make sure we have a chance really have talked about on she has 15 seconds because why going to trying to get that you im sorry the Vice President had more time than she said, so far anders against President Donald Trump. Regarding men and women of our armed forces are absurd. Afternoon the United States marine corps, my son and was deployed in the United States navy. I can assure all of you with sons and daughters serving in our military. President donald trump, not only respects but reveres all of those who serve in our armed forces and any suggestion otherwise ridiculous. People susan i did not agree to knows for tonight, joe biden used care com pains me agree to the rules for tonights debate with the commission on president ial race, im here to which involves moving from one topic to another giving roughly equal time to both of you which is what im trying very hard to go so i want to go ahead and move to the next topic which is an important one as the last topic was. And that is the Supreme Court. On monday the Judiciary Committee is scheduled to open hearings on Amy Coney Barrett is nomination to the Supreme Court senator harris. Youll be there is a member of the committee. Her confirmation would cement the courts conservative majority and make it likely open to more abortion restrictions even the overturning the landmark roe v wade ruling access to abortion would then be up to the states. Vice president pence youre the former governor of indiana if roe v wade is overturned. What would you want indiana to do would you want your home state to ban. All abortions, you have 2 minutes uninterrupted and thank you for the question, his little bit of my time to respond to that very important issue before. The American People deserve to know Qassem Soleimani the iranian general was responsible for the death of hundreds American Service members. When the opportunity came we saw in headed to baghdad to kill more americans President Trump didnt hesitate soleimani is gone. But you deserve another joe biden. And Kamala Harris actually criticized the decision to take asylum. Costume soleimani. Its really inexplicable but with regard to joe biden its its explainable because his records of joe biden actually oppose the raid against osama bin laden. Its absolutely essential. That we have a commander in chief who will not hesitate to act to protect american lives and to protect American Service members and thats what you have in President Donald Trump. Now with regard to the Supreme Court of the United States. Let me say President Trump and i could not be more enthusiastic. But the opportunity to see judge Amy Coney Barrett. Become justice Amy Coney Barrett. Shes a brilliant woman. She will bring a lifetime of experience and a sizable American Family. The Supreme Court of the United States. And our hope is in the hearing next week on life Justice Kavanaugh received with treatment from you and others. We hope she gets a fair hearing. And we particularly hope that we dont see the kind of attacks on her. Christian faith that we saw before. Democrat chairman of the Judiciary Committee before. Judge barrett was being confirmed for the court of appeals expressed concern that the dogma of her face lived loudly in her. Dick durbin of illinois said that it was a concern. Senator i know one of our judicial nominees. You actually attacked because they were a member of the Catholic Knights of columbus. Just because the knights of columbus holds prolife views and thank thank you vice when the hearing takes place that thank you Vice President and the judge Amy Coney Barrett will be respected. Thank you guys for stability and spota didnt confront the Supreme Court of the United Center heres your the senator from and former attorney general of california. So let me ask you a parallel question to the one i posed to the Vice President. If roe v wade is overturned what would you want. California do would you want your home state to enact no restrictions on access to abortion. And you have 2 minutes and interrupted. Thank you susan first of joe biden and i are both people think. And its insulting said to suggest. That we would not anyone for their faith and in fact, joe if elected will be only the second. A practicing catholic. As president of the United States. On the issue of this of this nomination. Dont ira very clear as are the majority of the American People. We are 27 days before the decision about who will be the next president the United States. And you know before his conversations come up, you know its been about election near election time. Were literally in an election. Over 4 Million People have voted. People are in the process of voting right now and so joe has been very clear as the American People are let the American People fill that seat in the white house. And then well fill that seat on the United States Supreme Court and to your point the issues before us couldnt be more serious theres the issue of choice and i will always fight for a womans right to make a decision about her own body. It should be her decision and not that of donald trump and and the Vice President michael pence lets also look at what else is before that the court. Its Affordable Care act like literally in the midst of a Public Health pandemic. When over 210,000 people have died and 7 Million People probably have what will be in the future considered a preexisting condition because you you contracted the virus, donald trump is in court right now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care act. And i said it before and it bears repeating. This means. That there will be no more protections if they win for people with preexisting conditions. This means that over 20 Million People will lose your coverage. It means that if youre under the age of 26 you can stay on your parents coverage anymore. And heres the thing. The contrast couldnt be more clear theyre trying to get rid of the Affordable Care act. Theyll buy nothing with expand coverage. Lets give you a choice of a public option or private coverage. Lets bring down payment premium Senate Medicare eligibility to 60. Thank you senator thats true leadership. You know you earlier Vice President pence said the president was committed to maintaining protections for people with preexisting conditions. And but you have this court case that you are supporting your administration supporting that would strike down the Affordable Care act. The president says President Trump says that hes going to protect people with preexisting conditions conditions but he has not explained. How he would do that and that was one of the toughest nuts to crack when they were passing the Affordable Credit card so tell us specifically how would your administration protect americans with preexisting conditions have access to affordable insurance. If the Affordable Care act is struck down. Well i think you seasonbut let me just say addressing his very first question. I couldnt be more proud to serve as Vice President to a president who stands without apology for the sanctity of human life. Im pro life. I dont apologize for it. And this is another one of those cases where the such a dramatic contrast. Joe biden and Kamala Harris support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way up to the moment of late term abortion they want to increase funding to planned parenthood of america. For our part i i would never judge Amy Coney Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court. Of the United States well continue to stand strong for the right to life. When you speak about the Supreme Court though i think the American People really deserve an answer senator harris. Are you joe biden going to pack the court. If judge Amy Coney Barrett has confirmed. May have been 29 vacancies on the Supreme Court during president ial election years from George Washington to barack obama president s have nominated in all 29 cases. But your party is actually openly advocating adding seats to the Supreme Court which has had 9 seats 450 years. If you dont get your way this a classic case of if you cant win by the rules, youre going to change the rules now youve refused to answer the question. Joe biden has refused to answer the question. I think the American People would really like to know. If judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed to the Supreme Court of the United States are you a joe biden if somehow you win this election going to. Pack the Supreme Court to get your way. Im so glad we went through a little history lesson, lets do that a little more. In 1861 like answer the question Vice President seeking rice speaking. In 1864. One of the i think political heroes certainly the president i assume if you also mister Vice President is abraham lincoln. Abraham lincoln was up for reelection. And it was 27 days before the election. And a seat became open on the United States Supreme Court. Abraham lincolns party was in charge not only the white house but the senate. But on us aid. Its not the right thing to do. The American People deserve to make the decision about who will be the next president the United States and then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime. On the highest court of our inland. And so joe and i are very clear. American people are voting right now. And it should be their decision. About who will serve on this most important body for a lifetime. Thank you and senator harris susan are voting right now theyd like to know if you and joe biden are going to. Pack the Supreme Court. If you dont get your way in this nomination lets talk even on answer joe biden good honest finance or you people deserve a straight answer and if you havent figured it out yet the straight answer is they are going to pack the Supreme Court. If they somehow win this election but people across this country futures are Supreme Court. It features a separation of powers you need to reject the biden harris ticket come november, the 3rd reelect President Donald Trump will stand by the separation of powers and a 9 seat Supreme Court. Talk about packing the court them. Lets talk about that yet and im about to. So. The trump pence administration. Has been because i sit on the senate Judiciary Committee says as you mentioned and ive witnessed the appointments for Lifetime Appointments to the federal courts District Courts courts of appeal. People who are purely ideological people who have been reviewed by by legal professional organizations and found to have been did not competent are substandard. And do you now, and if the 50 people. President trump appointed to the court of appeals for Lifetime Appointments, not one is black. This is what theyve been doing you want to talk about packing a court. Lets have that discussion. All right, thank you, thank you senator lets go on and talk about the issue of racial just i just want the record reflects she never answered the question. But you be thinking the next debate. Joe biden will answer the crank i think the American People know the and thank you Vice President. In march breonnataylor 26 yearold emergency room technician in louisville was shot and killed. After Police Officers executing a search warrant in a narcotics investigation broke into her apartment. The police said they identified themselves. Taylors boyfriend said he didnt hear them do that he used a gun registered to him to fire a shot which wounded an officer. The officers and fired more than 20 rounds into the apartment they say they were acting in selfdefense none of them have been indicted in connection with her death. Senator harris in the case of taylor was justice done. You have 2 minutes. I dont believe sana of talked with briannas mother tamika palmer. And her family. And her family deserves justice she was a beautiful young woman. She had as her life goal to become a nurse and she want to become a dmt to first learn whats going on out on the street so she could then. Become a nurse and save lives and her life was taken. And justifiably and tragically and violently. And it just it brings me to. The 8 minutes and 46 seconds in america witnessed. During which. An american man. Was tortured and killed. Under the knee. Of an armed. Uniformed police officer. And people around our country. Every race. Every age of every gender perfect strangers to each other. Marched. Shoulder to shoulder arm in arm. For us to finally achieve that ideal of equal justice under law. And i was a part of those peaceful protests. I believe strongly that first of all we are never going to condone violence. But we always must fight. For the values that we hold dear including the fight to achieve ideals. And thats why joe biden and i have said on this subject. Look im a im a former career prosecutor, i know what im talking about that caps a bath a goode cops, we need reform of our policing in america and our criminal Justice System which is why joanna. Well immediately banned chokehold and chronicles jaw george going to be alive today if we did that we will require a national registry. 4 Police Officers who break the law we will on the issue of criminal Justice Reform. Get rid of private prisons and cash bail and we will decriminalize marijuana and look we will expunge the records of those who hate isnt convicted of marijuana. This is key sign from leadership. On a tragic tragic issue senator black people in america lately senator harris. Vice president pence let me pose the same question to you. In the case of brianna taylor. Was justice done. You have 2 minutes uninterrupted. Well our heart breaks. The loss of any sun, any innocent American Life. And the family of Breonna Taylor has our sense of these. I trust our Justice System. A grand jury that refuse ian. And it really is remarkable that as a former prosecutor. You would assume that impanel a grand jury looking at all the evidence got it wrong but youre entitled to your opinion senator. And with regard to george floyd that theres no excuse for what happened to george floyd. Justice will be served. But theres also no excuse for the rioting and looting that followed. I mean it really is for westbrook is with us here tonight in Salt Lake City. This few weeks ago, i stood at what used to be. Her salon burned to the ground. By rioters and looters. And florida is still trying to put her life back together. And i must tell you this this. This presumption. Then you hear consistently. From joe biden and Kamala Harris. In america systemically racist. And that is joe biden said that he believes that Law Enforcement has an implicit. Bias against minorities. Is is a great insult. To the men and women who serve in Law Enforcement and i want everyone to know who puts on the uniform of Law Enforcement every day. President trump and i stand with you. It is remarkable that. When senator tim scott tried to pass a Police Reform bill brought together a group of republicans and democrats senator harris. You got up and walked out of the room. And then you filibuster sen. Tim scotts bill on the senate floor that would provide a new accountability new repeat resources. We dont have to choose between supporting Law Enforcement proving Public Safety and supporting our african american. Major us for all of our minorities. Under President Trumps leadership here as for always stand with Law Enforcement and well do what we do thank you your time is a lives of African Americans. Thank you for prayers on employment as youre doing is a fight for School Choice for all of our thank you very like to respond. Senator harris. I will not sit here and be lectured by the Vice President. And what it means to enforce the laws of our country, im the only one on the state. Was personally prosecuted. Everything from child assault, a homicide. Im the only one on the stage was prosecuted the big banks for taking advantage of americas homeowners. Im the only one on the stage who prosecuted for profit colleges. Taking advantage of our veterans. And the reality of this is. We are talking about an election in 27 days where last week the president of the United States took a debate stage in front of 70 million americans. And refused to condemn White Supremacists not. And not true. It wasnt like he didnt have a chance. He didnt do it and then he doubled down. And then he said when pressed. Stand back stand by. This is a part of a pattern. Of Donald Trumps. You cant was could he called mexicans rapists and criminals. He instituted as his first act, a muslim ban. He on the issue charlottesville. 4 people were peacefully protesting. The need for Racial Justice where a young woman was killed and on the other side there were nazis carrying tiki torches, shouting racial epithets, spin the anti semitic slurs. And donald trump when asked about it said. There were fine people on both sides. This is what we have is the president of the United States in america, you deserve better. Joe biden will be a president who brings our country together senator harris and and recognizes the beauty in our diversity and the fact we all say so much more in common than what separates us pressure is to give you a minute to respond. Thank you, suzanne i appreciate that very much. You know i think thats one of the things that makes people dislike the media so much in this country, susan. So you selectively edit just like senator harris did. Comments that President Trump and i and others on our side of the on that. Senator harris convene lee admitted after the after the president made comments about people on either side of the debate over monuments. He condemned the kkk neonazis and White Supremacists and has done so. Repeatedly. Youre concerned that he doesnt condemn neonazis. President trump has jewish grandchildren. His daughter and soninlaw are jewish. This is a president who who respects and cherishes all of the American People. But you talk about having personally prosecuted, im glad you brought up your record senator thank you. But thats a really need to make this point when you are when youre a d a in San Francisco when you left office. African americans were 19 times more likely to be prosecuted for minor drug offenses than whites and hispanics. When youre attorney general of california at increased. The port the disproportionate incarceration of banks in california. You did nothing on criminal Justice Reform in california. He didnt lift a finger pass the first step back on capitol hill. Mean the reality is your records thank President Trump and i have fought for criminal justice for fake you Vice President for for educational choice and opportunities for African Americans all of our thank you sir and well do it for for thank you, you know theres no more important issue than the final issue that were going to talk about tonight and that is the issue of the election but when he attacked my record i would like an opportunity respond let me give you 30 seconds because we because running out of time appreciate that. First of having served as the attorney general of the state of california. The work that i did is a model of what our nation needs to do. And we will be able to do under. Joe biden presidency. Our. Our agenda includes what this administration has failed to do. It will be about not only instituting a ban on choke closing chronicles thank you not only it thank you senator, i would like to go through these are points that you made earlier in the hour and i want to talk about the election itself before we have to but i want to talk about the connection between what joe and i will do my record. Which includes i was the first. Statewide officer to institute a requirement that my agents would wear body cameras and keep them on full time we were the first. To initiate a requirement that there would be a training for Law Enforcement on implicit bias because yes joe biden i recognize that implicit bias does exist. Mister Vice President contrary to what you may believe we did the work of instituting reforms that were about investing in reentry. This is the work that we have done and the work we will do Going Forward and i will not be lectured. By the Vice President. On our record. Of what we have done in terms of Law Enforcement and keeping our Community Safe and a commitment to reforming the criminal Justice System of america. Thank you senator harris, im going to pose c. Id like you to respond first to that question on our final topic the election itself. President trump has several times refused to commit himself to a peaceful transfer of power after the election. If your ticket wins and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power. What steps would you and Vice President biden then take what would happen. Next you have 2 minutes. So ill tell joe and i are i think proud of. The coalition that weve built around our campaign we probably have one of the broadest coalitions of folks that youve ever seen in a president ial race of course we have. The support of democrats but also independents and republicans in fact. 7 members president George W Bushs cabinet. Supporting our ticket. We have the support of of colin powell. Cindy mccain john k sick. Over 500. Generals retired generals and former National Security experts and advisers are supporting our campaign and i believe they are doing that because they now that joe biden. Has a deep deep seeded commitment to fight for democracy and to fight for the integrity of our democracy and to bring integrity back to the white house. And so we believe in the American People we believe in our democracy and heres what id like to say to everybody. Bo. Please vote vote early come up with a plan to vote i will vote dot com. You can also go to dont buy dot com. We have it within our power in these next 27 days. To make the decision about what will be. The course of our country for the next 4 years and it is within our power and if we use our bull and we use our voice. We will win. And we will not let anyone subvert our democracy with what donald trump has been doing as he did on the debate stage last week. One again in front of 70 Million People. He openly. Attempted to suppress the vote. Joe biden on the other hand on that same debate stage because clearly donald trump doesnt think he can run on a record because its a failed record. Joe biden on that state said hey just please vote. So ill repeat what joe said please vote. Thank you senator Vice President pence President Trump has several times refused to commit himself to a peaceful transfer of power after the election. If Vice President biden is declared the winner and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful transfer of power. What would be your role and responsibility as Vice President what would you personally do you have 2 minutes. Susan first and foremost i think well win this election. Because while a joe biden Kamala Harris rattle off a long litany of. The establishment in washington dc and establishment, joe binds been a part of for 47 years. President donald trump is. Is launching movement of Everyday Americans from every walk of life. I have every confidence that those the same deliver that historic victory 2016. They see this president s record where we rebuild our military revived our economy through tax cuts and rolling back regulation fighting for fair trade unleashing American Energy. We appointed conservative store federal courts at every level. And we stood with the men and women of Law Enforcement every single day and i think i think that movement of americans has only grown stronger in the last 4 years. When you talk about accepting the outcome of the election. I must tell you. The senator your party has spent the last 3 and a half years trying to overturn the results of the last election. Its amazing. When mind is Vice President of the United States. The fbi actually spied on President Trump in my campaign. I mean there were documents released this week the cia actually made a referral. To the fbi documenting that those allegations were coming from the Hillary Clinton campaign and of course weve all seen the avalanche what the what what you put the country through 4 for the better part of 3 years. Until it was found there was no obstruction, no collusion case closed. And then senator harris you and your colleagues in the in the congress and trying to impeach the president the United States. Over a phone call. And now Hillary Clinton is actually said to joe biden and are in her words under no circumstances should he concede the election so let me just say i think were going to win this election. President trump and i are fighting every day in courthouses to prevent. Joe biden Kamala Harris from changing the rules and creating this universal mail in voting that will create a massive opportunity for voter fraud. We have a free and fair election, we know were going to have confidence in it and i believe in all my heard the President Donald Trumps going to be reelected 4 more years, you know ive asked ive been all the questions. Ive asked tonight for the final question of the debate. Id like write and read a question of someone else wrote. The utah Debate Commission has students in the state. To write essays about what they would like to ask you and i want to close tonights debate with the question posed by brooklyn brown, shes an 8th grader at springville junior high in springville utah and heres what she wrote quote. When i watched the news all i see is arguing between democrats and republicans when i watch the news. All i see is citizen fighting against citizen. When i watch the news all i see are 2 candidates from opposing parties trying to tear each other down if our leaders cant get along how are the citizen supposed to get along and then she added your examples could make all the difference to bring us together end quote. So the each of you in turn like you to take one minute. And respond. The brooklyn Vice President pence you have one minute. Brooklyn its a wonderful question. Let me just commend you for taking an interest in in public life. I following the news when i was very young. And in america. We believe in a free and open exchange of debate. And we celebrate that. Thats how weve created literally the freest and most prosperous nation. In the history of the world. I i i would tell you assume that what youre seeing on your local. News networks is synonymous with the American People. You know i look at the relationship between Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg, the late we just lost from the Supreme Court. And the late justice antonin scalia. They were on polar opposites on the Supreme Court of the United States, one very liberal won very conservative. But whats been learned since her passing was the 2 of them and their families. With very close friends. Here in america, we can disagree we can debate vigorously uh senator harris and i have on the stage tonight. When the debate is over we come together as americans. Thats what people do in big cities and small towns all across this country. So i just want to encourage you brooklyn, i want to tell you that. Were going to work every day to havern