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The race against new variants as the president takes steps the reunite families separated by the Trump Administration. Why a congressman said i. C. E. Went Rogue Deporting One of his con sit wents. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight congress has taken a big step Forward Holding accountable those responsible for the january 6 attack on the capitol. Speaker out house nancy pelosi announced her intent to set up an official investigation into the events of that day. Writing in a letter to democratic caucus, quote, it is clear that we need to establish a 9 11type commission to examine and report upon the facts, causes the security relating to the Terrorist Mob Attack on january 6. Today the senate received the first legal filings for the firstever second impeachment of a president of the United States. The house Impeachment Managers released this 80page trial memo outlining the case against the former president. Theyre clear many what he did and deserves to be convicted writing that the nation will remember and President Trump singular responsibility for that tragedy. It is impossible to imagine the events of january 6th occurring without President Trump creating a powder keg, striking a match and then seeking personal advantage from the havoc. Impeachment managers lay out the effect that trumps words and actions had in the leadup to that crucial date. He spent the weeks proceeding the rally doing everything in Husband Power to persuade the vote could be stolen away. That is, unless they somehow stopped it by making plans to fight like hell and fight to the death against this Act Of War By Radical Left Democrats and the weak rino section of the Republican Party. It was clear that President Trump was urging, approving and celebrating violence. Answering to the president s call to mobilize thousands arrived in washington for the purpose of aggressively championed by the president to do anything necessary to stop the joint Session Of Congress from finalizing the election results. Describing that mobilization of the president s supporters happened in plain sight online. It was widely discussed on websites such as the donald. Win and closely monitored by President Trumps social media operation. These sites hosted hundreds of posts about plans on the attack on the capitol with detailed discussions of weaponry, directions. One poster stated, if congress illegally certifies biden trump would have absolutely no choice but to demand us to Storm Congress and kill beat them up for it. Then when the day arrived the fortunatelier president took the stage to directly incite the crowds. The words said there like if we dont fight like hell you wont have a country anymore and inviting them to go to the capitol are pretty squarely within the definition of incitement. Managers explain those that had come to the rally looking for a signal from the president found it in his remarks. Rather than quell the crowd or promise to carry on the fight over the years to come, the overwhelming thrust of President Trumps remarks, delivered to an armed, angry crowd widely known to be prepared for violence on his behalf was a Mill Taristic demand to fight to stop what was occurring in the capitol at that very moment. Crowd of course went to the capitol. Just as the president directed them to. Invited them. Told them to with weapons and gas masks and bulletproof vests and zip ties where they chanted hang mike pence and proudly proclaimed they were doing President Trumps bidding. One told Police Officers he came as a group of patriots at the request of the president. In Livestream Video from the capitol another declared the president wants us here. We wait and take orders from our president. Key point Impeachment Managers are making here is that it is impossible, impossible to conceive of this event and the chain of event that is led to it without donald trump behaving the way he did. Its on him. Hes at the center of the thing. He is the but for cause for all of it. Donald trump pushed the lie about election fraud, used every tool in the disposal to try to overturn the election. Donald trump kept lying to his supporters and urging them on. Donald trump is the one that convinced them to see january 6th as the last desperate chance and invited them to come to washington, d. C. , told them it would be quote wild and then whipped the crowd into a frenzy. At every stage Impeachment Managers argue President Trumps responsibility for the events of january 6th is unmistakable. Then theres the former president s weak, weird, counter brief from the brand new legal team just 14 pages long starting with the Signature Characteristic of nearly all trump documents a typo. Its weird they keep doing that. The former president s lawyers go on to make the tortured sounded arguments in the very strange construction. Take a listen to this. It is denied the 45th president engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States. He is no longer president and articles of impeachment violates the right to free speech. But when it comes to the crux of the issue, right, that the president , former president pushed this lie and sought in public and in private to overturn a democratic election the best his lawyers can muster is this incredible statement for the ages. Insufficient evidence exists upon which a reasonable jurist could conclude the 45th president s statements were accurate or not and he therefore denies they were false. I want to bring in two people well versed. Jill winebanks and a professor of fordham law school, author of the peoples courts. You have been writing specifically about this. Theres lots of weird circolocusions that you would quote in the law. Its a bizarre document to defend the president and particularly on this specific factual claim which it talks around about 720 degrees and never actually comes down on. So it is it seems more like a draft of a brief or an outline of a brief. It is written in a very strange way in i encourage people to look at the two dock ms. One is a lot of facts of law and the other one is the President Trumps brief has a lot of assertions and it is very sir Couple Lo Kushs and it doesnt really have a lot of facts to refute so it doesnt let me identify a key brief in the house brief that doesnt get addressed at all in the president s broof at all. It is the i think a key point is Dereliction Of Duty. Right. This backfires if we criminalize speech and the key difference is two things. This is not a criminal trial. Right . This is a civil proceeding under impeachment but i think its also a different burden of proof. It is not beyond a reasonable doubt. The key question is what did President Trump do after a riot was breaking out and this is where i think the house brief is strong. Yeah. Is that it lays out that Dereliction Of Duty and the president s team, President Trumps team offers no response to those facts. Its such a good point and, jill, one of the most parts of the actions on that day is the reporting we have and facts in the Impeachment Managers brief that while its happening on tv and we are all watching it, people are calling the white house, he is doing nothing. He is not taking steps. Derelict in the duty and the Supreme Court has made clear the First Amendment does not shield Public Officials that occupy positions from adverse actions. And in this case, that seems clearly applicable. It definitely does. This is case where the proximate cause of what happened was remarks on the mall. And his instructions to march to the capitol. But its proceeded by a Meeting On January 5th that we need more evidence about but which seems very, very damning to him. And the funding of the Rally Organizers that we also need more information about and by months of lies about fraud in the election. Both before the election happened he said its going to be rigged and then afterwards he said it was stolen from them. So he set the stage for what could only be determined to be violence, to take back the government that he says had been stolen from his control. And that makes him guilty and no matter what your definition of First Amendment rights are it doesnt include an ability to say go and attack the capitol. Fight like hell. They do address that one fact but they claim that he was saying you have to fight for Election Security yes. That is such a stretch that it is ridiculous. Jim neil from the watergate case, the Senior Lawyer on the trial, used to say its like trying to stuff 50 pounds of garbage into a 5pound bag and thats what this is. There is no excuse for this. The point, the sort of constitutional question is very clear to me that republicans would like to just wriggle out of this On Process Grounds if at all possible. They cant tell you what happened on january 6th. Thats over. It is whatever happened. Jed, the point about the former official, i thought this citation was interesting and seen people say this. When the founders were drafting this that in england the parliament impeached two men in the 18th century, both former officers and clearly understood that impeachment was extended to former officers and then in the u. S. , as well. First this is a very important point that in the federalist papers hamilton says we are drawing this practice from england. Only two impeachments in the 18th century. One was a former official for bribery in 1725. The other happened in the summer of 1787 while they they refer to it and thats warren hastings, the governor of india, part of the background and i the house brief cites a piece i wrote called an Originalist Case for impeaching the president. I am concerned, though, that there it is not just process. There is a stretch of the word incitement i hope the trial is more precise and careful about. Yeah. Incitement is a hard one in any court and in some ways here it is only part of a larger conspiracy but that is the charge as presented. Thank you both. Want to bring in one of the Impeachment Jurors that witnessed the events donald trump is being impeached over. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of rhode island. How much mental space is this trial occupying . I dont think a great deal. Once the presentations are made they will obviously have our full attention and they should but i think that some of us feel going into this a little bit like we did going into the previous impeachment that a lot of the republicans have already made up their mind, they made a political decision about how this is going to turn out and the evidence and the presentation by the house managers will not change their Point Of View so we have to see. I think theres curiosity given its personal for so many of us and such a humiliation for our country to have the capitol ransacked this way but i think the real effort will begin when the trial begins. In terms of the trial, this was not, you know we do not have a complete factual record. As i sit here talking to you, senator, a Capitol Police officer, officer sicknick, lost his life and you and i both unless i miss something have no idea how he died, at whose hands, what context, what happened, who the perpetrators might be, whether theres, you know, a search for them, whether they have been identified, thats one of the many, many factual holes in the question of what happened that day. I wonder how much you want to learn about that, think the trial is a venue for that. You know, it is the old Map Makers Dilemma of the detail on the segment of the coast and could never finish the map as you dive down into the detail. Here the question is a very broad one. Did the president of the United States acquit the Constitutional Responsibilities when he sent a mob and enflamed mob up to the capitol for the purpose of their disrupting the orderly counting of the electoral votes, a direct assault against an ongoing operation within the Legislation Lattive branch of government and then failing to take any steps for a very long period of time to stop it and according to information from the white house actually delighting in the prospect that he created this tumult and this turmoil. So thats a Pretty Simple question. Was he acting the way a president of the United States should act . Or was he violating separation of powers, inciting a riot and failing to discharge the duties to defend and protect the constitution . You dont have to know who hit officer sicknick in the head to know that donald trump failed at those duties. Yeah. Your understanding of the constitutional responsibility here is a point well taken. My journalistic instinct to know as much as we can about this and which is striking to me that we still dont. You said that most of your colleagues probably made up their mind or made a political decision to made up their mind. I do wonder how much the personal experience of it matters. Well see. Well see. I think the house if its opening pleading is any indication it is going to put on a strong case and it is going to bring back memories and it is going to make people i think perhaps give a fresh thought to the politically comfortable position they may be in. A lot of my colleagues are honorable people. I think theyre in a political pickle on this one. By the way, the things you point out we should figure that out. We should know a lot about the role of the colleagues through house and senate investigations. So im with you on making sure that at the end of the day we have a full understanding of the criminal activity that took place on january 6th. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, thank you so much, sir. Thank you. Coming up, dr. Fauci on the race to vaccinate the country and the ongoing risks from the virus as it mutates. Dr. Fauci joins me live next. Dont go anywhere. Visionworks. See the difference. Incomparable design makes it beautiful. State of the art technology, makes it brilliant. The visionary lexus nx. Lease the 2021 nx 300 for 359 a month for thirty six months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Want to save hundreds on your wireless bill . With Xfinity Mobile you can. How about saving hundreds on the new Samsung Galaxy s21 ultra 5g . You can do that too. All on the most reliable network. Sure thing and with fast nationwide 5g included at no extra cost. Weve got you covered. So join the carrier rated 1 in customer satisfaction. And get a new Samsung Galaxy starting at 17 a month. Learn more at xfinitymobile. Com or visit your local xfinity store today. We have seen some encouraging trends of late coming the virus. Covid cases and hospitalizations have fallen in most states, falling nationally in the past few days. So thats good. We appear to be on the other side of that latest third wave, by far the worst. Also vaccine news continues to be a bright spot. Todays russias twoshot vaccine is shown to be highly effective. Published in the medical journal, so another vaccine on the case globally and the New York Times reports, get this, out of the roughly 75,000 people who have received 1 of the 5 vaccines in a research trial, not a Single Person died from covid and only a few people appear to have been hospitalized. Good news. But ive reported on good news here before and followed by bad news always so we are not in the clear. Joining me now is dr. Anthony fauci. Great to have you back on, dr. Fauci. Lets talk about vaccine efficacy. We have talked a lot about the National Picture here but sputnik is a reminder that the whole worlds fighting this. Does it matter to americans that other places get vaccinated and get vaccination programs up . Absolutely. Thats why its really very good news about the success of the russian trial which showed more than a 90 efficacy. Thats what you want. You want to get the virus suppressed throughout the world because when youre dealing with a pandemic if theres a good degree of infection and spread in any part of the world its always a threat to where you are. So if you really want to crush a pandemic, its got to be a global effort. Its only very important to be successful and as you showed the curve of the infections going down hopefully as we get more and more people vaccinated the level of infection in our own country will get lower and lower until it really is not a threat. But if we do that in a vacuum, without the rest of the world also suppressing the virus, it will be a continual Threat Hanging over us so its very important that the rest of the world get vaccinated. Thats why i was very pleased to see the result of the russian study. Another vaccine that is being used internationally but not in the u. S. As of yet is astrazeneca vaccine that was a joint project with oxford. There was some problems with the trial but ultimately it did get approval in the uk, being and midstered in the uk and i have seen some people, you know, respectsible folks in the field wondering if the u. S. Is waiting too long on astrazeneca, if we should be pushing to get that out into the hands of americans even though as you see there three countries do not recommend it for seniors. Well, that is right. There is a little bit of a controversy about that. I think for the most part the news is reasonably good but we have a trial going on right now in our own country that we would like to see the data of that Phase Three Trial which is solid, Well Originalized Trial to make the proper decision about the safety and the efficacy and what place it has among other vaccines. In addition to moderna and pfizer, we have the j j and the trial showed a good degree of efficacy particularly in advance disease. We have another Vaccine Platform which is a soluble protein and hopefully will get some good data there. So there are a lot of vaccines in the mix here right now and i believe the process that were going through the proper process to get the good Scientific Data to make Good Public Health decisions. Its possible that you have lost audio from me so im just saying that in case. Lets do this. Lets take a quick break and be back with dr. Fauci we have him back. You got me there . I can hear now, chris. Good. So when you talk about the sort of we have a number of vaccines, right . A number have the emergency use authorizations, others are coming up. Maybe we can just talk through this. To get a person vaccinated is a like a three cherries on the slot machine. Make the thing and be delivered to someone with a syringe and a person with an arm who wants it. Right . We have to supply the vaccine, deliver the vaccine, we need demand for the vaccine. What is the obstacle now to american scale . What is the limiting condition on how many people we can vaccinate right now . Yeah. Well, there is a very minor component of some parts of the country in which it is inefficient getting into the arms and some vaccine on the shelf but overwhelmingly if you look at the entire country the supply does not at this point meet the demand. Right. So if you get on the phone with mayors and governors the biggest complaint is we need more vaccine. Get us more vaccine. There are a couple of locations where theyre inefficient in getting it into peoples arms but im on the phone a lot. I got off the phone literally a few minutes ago with a mayor of a big city and thats what the person was saying. Get us more vaccine. We will be doing better as we get into february and march and april. There will be an escalation of doses that are available not only from the moderna and from the pfizer, but also, from the other companies, the one i mentioned, the j j and novavax. We will be getting more but we need to get more vaccine in the hands of the administrators who are administering the vaccine. If thats a supply issue, i guess its a naive question but theres been speculation and arguments about the degree to which, say, Intellectual Property is opened up so that other Pharma Companies could produce more vaccine and others argue no, no. You dont understand. The supply chain for vaccines is very difficult. Like, how should i think about how big can the supply get how quickly . Right. If one had done this months ago to get what we call the Defense Production Act to get other companies to be making a product that one company discovered, so if you say, okay, what i want you to do is i want this company and this company that has these facilities to make vaccine, to start gearing up to make, lets say, the vaccine, it would take a considerable amount of time to get them to be able to get the process in place to do it. It is not like making shoes or clothing. It is a very difficult process so if today in the very beginning of february we said, what were going to do is get other companies to make whatever vaccine, take, for example, an mrna vaccine, by the time you got that facility geared up to make it in a way that would be acceptable and approvable by the fda with all of the inspections and things they would do, by that time we already would have enough vaccine to vaccinate most of the country so its a reasonable idea but for now its a little bit too late for that. We watched this horrible third wave that we have had, the deadliest. 4,000 deaths a day. I know multiple people through networks and people who have lost family members, hospitalized family members. A brutal winter. We are on the down part of that slope. Is that the dynamics of the thermostatic public response where we have seen this a few times . People get scared, pull back, maybe more social distance. People go indoors and then come back out and i guess the big question is, like, how confident are you that were not going to get a fourth wave . What has to happen for that to happen . Right. Okay. Chris, you raise a very good point. When you have the surge, you have to figure out what triggered the surge. The big surge that we have been through right now thats been so devastating was a come by nation of a bunch of things. The cold weather which forced people indoors, thanksgiving, christmas, new years, we knew we were going to see that surge. All of those things together. One maybe more than the other but that led to that. You cant keep going up like that indefinitely. Thats the reason why you have the plateau. That could be due to a number of reasons. Susceptibles have gotten infected. People get frightened by it so they double down a bit on Public Health measures. I dont think enough people in any given location have been infected enough to say Herd Immunity has come in. I dont think we are there yet so youre asking me a question. How confident am i we wont have yet again another surge . I think if we double down, uniformly and consistently, with the Public Health measures at the same time as we phase in increasing numbers of people getting vaccinated, we shouldnt see that. One of the wild cards, chris, we have to keep an eye on are the mutations. The mutants that are out there because if they become dominant that then could lead to another surge. But the best way to prevent them from becoming dominant is double down on Public Health measures, all the things i have spoken about with you. Masking, distancing, avoid congregate settings. At the same time with the supplies that we have we vaccinate as many people as we possibly can. If we do that, and i underline the if we should then continue to see the downward trend but we have got to keep our eye out on the mutants because if they become dominant they could be a problem. That is a big fear also for folks coming up this weekend i like Many Americans like to congregate with others to watch the big football game. Dont do that. Dont do that. Dr. Fauci, thank you so much for making time tonight. I appreciate it. Good to be with you, chris. Thank you. Still ahead, the rogue agency ignoring the orders of the new president and following their own deportation policy. Thats next. Strengthen your enamel. Man whats my safelite story . My truck. Is my livelihood. 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Remember this guy in the fur lined hat we saw using a helmet to smash a window . There were members of congress on the other side of that door. He is facing federal charges. And do you remember the lady with the pink hat and bullhorn telling rioters where to go . He is rachel powell, a 40yearold mother of 8 from Western Pennsylvania who is apparently still on the lam but did give a twohour Telephone Interview to the new yorker. As they experience consequences from their actions many of the would be revolutionaries are blaming donald trump. The history of this violent plot does not start with the speech that day or the election laws. Donald trump and the Republican Party cultivating this wing of the party for a long time. Mcconnell said greenes lueny lies are a cancer on the gop it is a bit late for that. Two years ago greene was just another rightwing activist urging the action that sounds a heck a lot like what we saw on the capitol. In a video posted before announcing running for Congress Greene called for supporters to flood the capitol. Telling them the democratic lawmakers should fear us. Last night in a raw and candid Instagram Live interview congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez talked about what it was like to be on the Receiving End of that exact type of strategy. A week before, one week before, the week prior to the insurrection i started to get Text Messages that i needed to be careful. And that in particular i needed to be careful about the 6th. Those Text Messages came from other members of congress, not they were not threats but they were other members saying that they knew and that they were hearing even from trump people and republicans that they knew in their life that there was violence expected on wednesday. Anyone who tells you that we couldnt have seen this coming is lying to you. Anyone whos gone on the record and said that there was no indication of violence has lied. There were so many indications of this leading up to that moment. They were there on monday. There is a Grocery Store on my block and i remember going to the Grocery Store that night and seeing all these people in like these maga hats and i felt like tense in the Grocery Store and i guess this is just like, you know, whether youre from the bronx or new york city or queens or brooklyn, whether, from chicago, whether, i dont know, you have your wits about you, you just can catch a vibe and you can kind of know a general sense of when things arent right. And things started to feel not right when i was in that Grocery Store that monday night. Two days after being in that store in washington, d. C. By where she had an apartment during she is in session, rioters charged the capitol congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez recounted the terror of knocking on doors to find shelter. So we go into her office, and im at like a ten. Right . Im at a full ten fight or flight. Thought i was going to die like ten minutes ago and then thought i was going to die again and outside in the hallway alone and im banging on this door and im thinking im fully expecting within of these insurrectionists to turn a corner with a gun and it would be over. People are dead because of that attack. Many more had their lives changed forever. There needs to be a reckoning with that moment. Many of the people who helped perpetrate and who take responsibility for what happened in the capitol are trying to tell us all to move on. And theyre trying to tell us to forget about what happened. Trying to tell us it wasnt a big deal. We cant move on without accountable. We cannot heal without accountability. So all of these people who want to tell us to move on are doing so at their own convenience. 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Congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez pointing out the clear responsibility of the politicians who cynically stoked the motivating lie for the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol. She again called for cruz to resign for having deliberately and knowing amplified specific lies fueling violent attackers. More on what inspired the mob, im joined by nbc news Investigative Reporter brandy, nancy, a writer for prbla, ac, let me start with you. There have been radical ow for g time. On the rightwing, we have the Militia Movement and timothy mcveigh. I have noticed in the last few years as a political reporter and internet spaces, this idea of Political Violence, a second civil war, you come for us and see whos armed, growing more and more mainstream and more common. What have you found in your reporting . Yeah, absolutely. I think that you see a whole spectrum of sort of far right characters that goes from the Boogaloo Boys who generally identify as libertarians and are absolutely prepping for a new civil war or violent revolt, to outfits like the proud boys who are kind of Ultra Nationalist street gang, to the qanon conspiracy theorists, to the Militia Types like the oath keepers who are there at the capitol. Theyre all talking about civil war. And its also, brandy, that its not just like, so all those groups are people that are political identities kind of revolve around political vile nlts, but the Qanon Mythology is in the end, a bunch, thousands of people are executed as traitors. It is fundamentally a violent fantasy that the people in that movement are engaged in. Yeah, the Qanon Community is often laughed at, but i always like to remind people, it is underpinned by an extremely dangerous idea of modern blood libel that targets jewish people and its also the basic idea of it is that there will be a storm, a judgment day, where their perceived political enemies, hollywood actors, people that have eaten pizza before, are all sort of marched out and executed publicly. Its incredibly dangerous. And its radicalized many, Many Americans. We saw a large contigent of qanon people at the rally on the 6th and were learning from documents unsealed in federal and local court cases now from the rally that a lot of these people are qanon people. What do you think, ac, is happening in terms of the rhetoric of Political Violence on the right right now in the aftermath of january 6th . Yeah, theres kind of two interesting threads. And one is that you had a lot of groups that portrayed themselves as proLaw Enforcement. They said we back the blue. Were for the cops. And they were reluctant to engage directly with Law Enforcement violently before january 6th. On january 6th, that changed. And they have sort of joined up with the other groups that were outwardly insurrectionists and were very proarmed revolt. I think you see these two threads converging. Brandy, the Marjorie Taylor greene video that was discovered yesterday, which she is just sort of a rightwing activist, i didnt realize, everything snapped into focus, this ideation of storming the capitol, of people taking over the capitol, and their physical presence and the menace of the possibility of violence being a tool of influence, which is explicitly stated in that video two years ago, i guess i didnt realize that was a thing, that that was a concept that was sort of in this subculture. That video was really on the nose, even for this timeline. But yeah, we have to remember, this sort of like bubbling of violence from the radical right, which would definitely include someone like alex jones light, who is Marjorie Taylor greene, its been bubbling. We all remember like the journalist rope tree tshirt we saw at trump rallies in 2016. We remember the violence that was happening at trump rallies. You take a large group of people and you feed them disinformation, and you put them in online spaces, and this is what we get. I mean, we have been telling this story of the radicalization of americans and their planning, organizing, radicalizing, and then jumping off the wires and into the streets all summer. We told it with militias that were harassing and targeting black lives Matter Movement people. We told it with the Boogaloo Boys who were shooting Police Officers over the summer and planning a second civil war. We have shown it with qanon. We have been telling these stories all year. So it wasnt a surprise to me to see that video, although it was strangely fitting. Ac, theres two ways i can imagine the january 6th reverberating. One is a Propaganda Victory for some of these groups. Others are alienating. There are day trippers who are freaked out now by what happened there. I wonder how you think this goes from here. My honest and worried prediction is that there will be an Act Of Mass Casualty terrorism over the next year and that we need to be prepared for that. We shouldnt be totally paranoid, but we need to be prepared. There are a lot of people who seek to do harm to this nation. And its very easy in this country to get a gun or build a bomb. Yeah. Thats very sobering. You guys are both doing incredible reporting. Brandy and ac, thank you both for being with me tonight. I really appreciate it. Nat is all in on this tuesday night. The Rachel Maddow show starts right now. Good evening, rachel. Good evening. Thank you, my friend. And thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. Tonight, this hour, we are watching the United States capitol building, where United States Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick will be honored tonight. He will lie in honor under the Capitol Rotunda in a ceremony and observation thats going to begin within the next few minutes. President s and military heroes have been honored in this way before. The great rosa parks was thus honored in 2005. Civil rights icon john lewis thus honored this past year. The reverend billy graham was honored similarly in 2018. For the u. S. Capitol police, though, this is not the