Likely a prelude to a new stage of conflict with incredibly high stakes for israel, the palestinians and for the United States and the world. Air strikes in gaza have intensified today ahead of a possible Ground Invasion intended to crush hamas. Nbcs ellison barber captured this video of a steady stream of tanks about two miles from the border with gaza. U. S. Secretary of state Antony Blinken was in israel today reiterating the yaunts decades long and steadfast commitment to israel. Here is what he had to say about the conflict ahead. On the humanitarian situation in gaza, i think its first important to remember fundamental issue that makes this complicated. Hamas continues to use civilians as Human Shields, something thats not new, something that theyve always done, intentionally putting civilians in harms way to try to protect themselves or protect their infrastructure or protect their weapons. So thats one of the basic facts that israel has to deal with. Of course, civilians should not be used in any way as the targets of military operations. They are not the target of israels operations. The stakes of the fight against hamas are underscored by the tragedy that strails have suffered. Secretary of state blinken said officials showed him photos and video of People Killed in the Terrorist Attack by hamas. Take a listen to his reaction to what he saw. Its beyond what anyone would ever want to imagine, much less actually see and, god forbid, experience. A baby, an infant riddled with bullets. Soldiers beheaded, young people burned alive in their cars or their hideaway rooms. I could go on, but its simply depravity in the worst imaginable way. It almost defies comprehension. President joe biden in ris remarks in this hour yesterday also referenced seeing images of murdered children. These images, along with firsthand accounts and trens being developed in the aftermath of saturdays deadly Terror Attack are right now informing u. S. Foreign policy, both the Secretary Of State and u. S. President have referred these images in the last 24 hours. Earlier today the Israeli Government released some of them. We have made a decision as a program to broadcast one of the images to you. These images are possible to unsee once you see them. It will break your heart. We do not take the decision to show one of these images to you lightly. Well give you a second to look away if you want to or leave the room if you choose. Okay. This is one of the images the Secretary Of State was referring to that he saw, that he was reacting to in those remarks. What we just showed you is just a glimpse of the real horror that all israelis are dealing with right now and trying so hard to come to grips with, even as the crisis is still very much unfolding. A steadily mounting death toll now includes 27 americans, 1300 israelis, and 1400 People Killed in gaza. Its where we start the hour with my colleague Msnbcs Ali Velshi in ashkelon, israeli former ambassador and member of the knesset, michael oren is back with us. Also the times of Senior Analyst javy gore. Javy, ill start with you. I thought after listening to the president and the Secretary Of State talk in such detail about what he had seen it was important that our viewers see what theyve seen. Obviously you are seeing a lot more than we just saw, and i just wonder i wonder what level of trauma the country is in. Thats a very good question. Were still in saturday, saturday hour after hour israelis all over the country, families received messages from people trapped in their bombshells for hour while gunmen were outside, Setting Fires trying to smoke them out. We watched it. We felt the helplessness, we felt the inability, the broken promise, the inability to rescue them. Nobody has managed to leave that experience. Bodies were scattered at the Music Festival and theyre still being found. The stories keep coming. We have been in five days of neverending horror, and it has changed us. The country that came out of this this week is a different country from what it was last week. How has it changed you . There were a lot of assumptions that we have, that we could live with the status quo, that we could live with an organization like hamas on our border because it could be deterred, it was essentially rational. Thats no longer the case. We no longer believe that. The jewish experience of the 20th century, to be cold or academic, was the experience that in the Eastern Hemisphere of the earth at least, that the jews stopped dying the day israel was founded, and we take care of our own and dont come to the world for help and certainly dont let people be butchered in the streets. Jews still remember 30 years ago. What happened on saturday was Something Like 25 kinnish i have pagroms. Its been burned into our memories. Theres a new solidarity, a new vow that Israeli Society has made to itself. This is deep, deep in our dn arjts. We are now going to face hamas, but we in general are going to face these threats. Were not going to live with containable threats because theyre not containable, and theyre not deterrable. This is going to be a different middle east and were going to make sure of it. What does that look like . In the short term it looks like the destruction of hamas. Hamas, as Secretary Blinken noted, its only strategy for survival, its literal only game plan right now is to hide in a Massive Network of bunkers and tunnels under gazas Civilian Population. Hamas is forcing us we have a completely legitimate war aim which is to destroy hamas. Hamas is forcing us to reach through Gaza Civilian Population to do so. Thats a crime against humanity, being committed against Gaza Civilian Population, committed by hamas, not israel. There is a crime of war against humanity. They have actual definition. If you feel something bad, it doesnt become a war crime. What hamas is doing now is a war crime on a scale that is massive. When the United States decided that the nazi regime would be decimated and destroyed to the last individual nazi, nobody thought that the civilian death toll on the path to destroying hitlers regime was americas fault. This is not a regime allowed to survive. This is not a regime we can tolerate surviving. It is literally hiding. There are hospitals in gaza that lost electricity. Not a single bunker of hamas lost electricity. They have fuel and generators, they dont send those fuels and generators to the hospital. We are going to save gaza from hamas and make sure hamas never threatens us again. Mr. Ambassador, we talk a lot about our domestic politics, but the stakes feel higher. It was notable that u. S. Secretary of state Antony Blinken said basically what haviv just said, that hamas uses civilians as Human Shields, quote, to hide their weapons amid them, to hide themselves amid them. That is not what israel does. Israel doesnt even target civilians. That that needed to be said was notable to me. Tell me your thoughts and reactions to the days events and the Secretary Of States visit. Thank you, nicolle. Let me reit late what haviv said. The pain, the agony, the shock, were still deeply within it. If i had to think of some maybe agonizing Silver Lining to this whole experience, pardon the oxymoron, is that we came in as a deeply divided situation. For better or for worse, hamas has reunited us, reminded us who we are as a nation, as a people, and i think even as a family. You can disagree when it comes to life and death and defending our families. Were going to stick together and defend this country in the best way we know how and the most moral way we know how. As the air force is preparing for perhaps an infantry and armored incursion into gaza, the air force is dispensing leaflets, sending sms signals, using nonexplosive missiles that hit the top of buildings and let the inhabitants of those buildings flee an area of intended combat. Thats crucial. Were going to do the utmost to avoid civilian casualties. Again, as Secretary Blinken has said, and many other officials have said, were dealing with an enemy that will use its population as a human shield and use the israeli hostages and american hostages which is going to be morally, to say nothing of logistically complex. We were very deeply moved by the president s message of two nights ago. I have been in the field of u. S. Israel relationships both as a historian and practipracti. I cannot recall a speech so impassioned, so from the heart, a man who experienced personal loss of a wife and two children, who connected that pain to our pain, who unequivocally supported the state of israels right to defend itself and categorically condemned terror. Frankly, the call went far beyond what i ever thought a president at this stage in American History was capable of doing. He pledged American Power at a time when virtually the only issue that receives bipartisan support in congress is the opposition to further middle east military entanglements. Thats what we call in washington a very, very heavy lift. Moving naval assets into the middle east and saying basically to iran, to hezbollah, dont get involved. That message was extremely important to us. It was reiterated by the Secretary Of State today during his visit. We also got the message that the United States expects us to act, according to the world, the rule of law as the United States does. I think what the secretary was saying, between the lines, help us to help you. The more caution you exercise amid the Civilian Population, well be able to help you more. Ending hamas, Eliminating Hamas is clearly one of the goals of whatever the response is. If you know the leaders that carried out the attack, isnt that also to eliminate the leadership of hamas . It may not all be geographically located where everyone is expecting the first moves. Can you speak to what the retaliation will look like and how wide it will range . The retaliation that weve already received. We had a preemptive retaliation by hamas. A big question, nicolle, if we and when we enter gaza on the ground, the question is whats going to happen with hezbollah to the north . Whether is ral la, the head of hezbollah will watch this incursion and continue sipping tea in beirut, or will he unleash a Military Power many times that of hamas. Hamas may be 15,000 rockets. Hbdz has 115,000 rockets. It has a Military Force which has been fighting in syria for a decade, very experienced. Israel will be faced with at least a twofront war. It could be more, if there are upheavals in the west bank, even among radical elements of israels arab population. Its going to be tremendously challenging for us, and costly. I think haviv would agree with me, we have no choice now. We actually have to pursue this. We want to uproot hamas from the gaza strip. It is very important that we engage in an intimate discussion with our american allies, our arab allies. Its not too early to do that. We dont want to be at the end of this operation holding the keys to gaza. We will need an International Effort to build the strip, develop the strip, promote an alternative leadership, a peaceful leadership for gaza. Gaza has tremendous potential. It could be, as we say, the riviera of the mediterranean. Not under the leadership of hamas terrorist organization. Hmentsaviv and michael, i know most of you care the most for these people. Ali velshis extraordinary reporting since hes been on the ground. Ali. Reporter were 2 1 2 miles from gaza. We just saw an interception while the ambassador was speaking. So we moved a little bit. I will say its otherwise relatively quiet here. Thats going to become relevant for what i tell you in a second. This might be the calm before the storm. Typically at this time of night there are several interceptions. Were certainly hearing the jets going over to gaza, and were hearing the thuds. Were that close, you feel the Concussive Boom over here. The tricky part is these hostages. There are about 150 Family Members who believe Family Members are being held hostage. They cant confirm whether theyre dead or alive. One of those women who is believed to have been taken is vivian silver, 74 years old, a canadian who has been living for decades in a kibbutz on the border of gaza. Shes a Peace Activist and reconciliation activist. She works with palestinian women. Theres Certain Health care you cant get in gaza, so people have to come across and get health care in israel. She will pick them up at the border and take them for that health care. Her family believes shes been taken by hamas. I spoke to her son today, jonathan, and asked him to describe what his mother was about. She was obsessed with peace, you know. Violence was always wrong in her mind. So she would say now, even though our communities are wiped out, she would say we dont need more dead babies. We need to stop the violence now. I call on everybody, the Israeli Government, hamas, canada, everybody to put pressure on both sides to negotiate and to get the captives out. Reporter he mentioned canada, of course, because shes canadian. His point is everybody should be putting their emphasis on the negotiation, the release of the hostages. Even though the troops are amassed ready for a Ground Incursion, perhaps that could be used as leverage to get the negotiation under way. He believes if theyre able to negotiate for the release of the hostages, that may set the table for further negotiations so this doesnt go forward as a ground war. The thing a number of israelis have told me, as determined as they are to see the destruction of hamas that my other friends are talking about here, they are worried that this is not going to be easy. A Ground Incursion will result in many deaths of Israeli Soldiers as well as, of course, the palestinians living on the other side who are civilians, not just the hamas soldiers. Theres a lot going on right now. The families of the hostages are angry, too, but they want the priority put on getting their Family Members released before the war begins the ground war begins, if thats possible. Ali, do they feel like the line and the access to information from the government, both about what is known about their loved ones who have been taken hostage and about what is planned militarily that may impact where their loved ones are taken. Do they feel like the lines of communication are open . They dont. In fairness to the Israeli Government, everywhere where you and i have reported on, thats always an issue, families of people taken captive never feel like theyre getting good information flow, including in the United States when american hostages are being held by other governments or terrorist organizations. That said, there has been criticism, and tb idf has acknowledged that a lot of things went wrong in the last few days. There was a massive Intelligence Failure that allowed this to happen. There was a slow Military Response around gaza. The military, people have said, yeah, theres something wrong. We have to look at that closely. For the moment, however, the government is conveying the message that the Ground Incursion is imminent. Theyre ready to go. Youve seen Richard Engels reporting. The question is, there hasnt been an active discussion with the families about what does this incursion, this invasion of gaza, this ground war in gaza mean as it relates to your Family Members who are held hostage. That doesnt mean theyre not thinking about it. Thats not an ongoing dialogue between the families and the government or the military right now. So much worry and pain and trauma. Ali velshi, with what youve just reported, please dont take this as mother henning, please stay safe. Haviv gur, we will continue to call on you. Mr. Ambassador, we need you to stick around a little longer. You have said and you have written that this war is unlike anything israel has ever confronted before. The events of the last several days have impacted everyone in israels daily life, every aspect of it. Well talk about what its like there right now, as well as families still searching for loved ones. With one of americas closest allies suffering such a tremendous loss, it should be surprising, shocking, when an x american president and possible president ial nominee again comes right out and criticizes israel and its leader and praises the terrorists, but were talking about donald trump, of course. So we shouldnt be surprised. Its also very dangerous. Well talk about it. Later in the broadcast, a closer look at how the massacre unfolded through images and videos that have been compiled by the very skilled investigative journalists at the New York Times and the story those pictures tell. All that and more when deadline white house continues after a quick break. Dont go anywhere. Inues after a. Dont go anywhere. We got the house you did pods handles the driving. Pack at your pace. Store your things until youre ready. Then we deliver to your new home across town or across the country. 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As they traveled deeper toward the besieged village, they encountered small bands of Israeli Soldiers trying to fight back but clely outnumbered. Quote, things were not ganized, mr. Ziv said. He and mr. Tibon linked up with a platoon of soldiers. The worst feeling was knowing that although they were some of the First Responders, they were already too late. At least an estimated 100 hostages are being held by hamas for whom there is no clear path forgetting them back home. Even as Israeli Citizens gather their fallen loved ones, there are still many missing. Joining us is ilad levy whose niece has been missing since saturdays attack. Tell me about your niece and the last time you heard from her and what your thoughts are today. Sure, thanks for having us and good afternoon. My niece rroi is 19 years old, typical teenager, taylor swift fan. Last time we heard from her was on saturday morning, the alarms, the sirens were going at 6 30. We had a few hours when we didnt hear from her, but her mother got the 9 30 text message, very brief, very short saying hi, mom, im okay. Im busy, i love you. That was it. That was the last time we heard from her. We are still i think in this country trying to process what it is that youre processing without the benefit of the intimacy of the geography and understanding the threat that people were aware of and sort of subconsciously had logged in their brain. One question that still isnt totally clear to me is how this happened. What is your understanding of the timeline, and how does that last text to her mom fit into the timeline . Were talking about our roi. We understand they attacked the base at 7 00 or 7 30. The details are not exact. At some point around 10 00 or maybe 10 30, could be 10 00 to 11 00. Roni was in a Communication Room and relatively safe so the terrorists couldnt get in. Once they figured out they couldnt get in, they did actually what theyve done in the villages with the civilians, they just burned the whole thing. We know there was a fire and there was thick smoke that got into the room so they couldnt breathe, they couldnt see. One soldier that was inside broke a window and basically evacuated we dont know how many. We know hes safe. Two others survived. A few others went out, and thats it. Thats the last thing we know around our timeline. What is that like to have such facts that you can hang on to. Youve got the 9 30 text, mom, im busy, but im okay. A pretty typical text from a 19yearold. But then nothing but questions and fear. I think, look, its unimaginable. The family is devastated. But were very mission oriented, were very resilient. On saturday night when we didnt hear from her, we started to make all the calls that we could make. Sunday morning the parents went all over the hospitals. They gave dna samples. Obviously they were looking for her. The parents are speaking together, theyre sharing information. Once in a few hours we hear the worst of all from other parents, that their daughter was confirmed dead. So it really and also we know now were facing probably only bad options. Ambassador, you talked eloquently on tuesday about how everyone knows someone looking for rony. Can you talk about what thats like plus five days . First of all to the levy family, i wish you the greatest strength. I hope rony comes back to your healthy. A great sorrow but inspiration. You have the spirit of israel. Your strength as a family, togetherness as a family, your commitment to your daughter and your niece, its inspiring. I do not want to belittle it in any way, but i hear these stories every day from multiple sources, from my children. This morning the two sons of the rabbi who married my daughter, two sons who, like so many israeli reservists, when they heard about the battle, didnt wait for a call, put on their uniforms, left their families, their children, went south to join their units and did not come home. That funeral was held today for the two brothers buried sidebyside in jerusalem with their father officiating. Extremely difficult to bear. We draw strength from one another. As i said earlier, the agonizing irony of this is that hamas has reminded us of our family ties, of our National Resilience and will, and we will persevere. I want to go back, if i could, nicole, to a question you asked mr. Levy about how this could happen. I think it bears going into a bit, if you dont mind. Obviously i have been following iran, the iranian issue for 20 years now. Clearly theres a strong iranian connection here. About 90 of the rockets they fire at us, including one that hit down the road yesterday im in my safe room here. You see the books behind me, but it is actually a bomb shelter. These rockets are made in iran. If theyre not made in iran, theyre designed in iran made by iraniantrained hamas engineers. We know hamas is funded by iran, it is guided by iran, and that recently iranian officials met with the heads of hamas in beirut. You put the dots together and you have a strong, strong iranian complicity in this. We understand that. On our side, clearly there were failures. Its too early to start apportioning blame. There will be investigations afterwards when the smoke clears. Certain people will have to, as they say, take responsibility and make conclusions about their futures. Thats not the first thing that happened. What really happened here and whats happened in the past. Again, ironically, almost 50 years to the date in the past, when Israeli Military and political officials did not believe that the egyptian and syrian armies would attack us in what became known as the yom kippur war. And the reason they didnt attack us is because israelis couldnt believe that the egyptians and syrians having suffered such a humiliaing defeat only six years before that would ever attack israel again. That was known as the concept in israel. In this case there was a concept, too. My last job in government was as the deputy in the Prime Ministers office, deputy minister. I was in charge of diplomacy, but i had misfortune of being in charge of the gaza issue for about a year. In liaising with our military, our intelligence, our security forces, there was a concept there as well. The concept was this, that hamas wears two hats. One hat is a Terrorist Hat clearly. The other hat, though, is a government hat. Hamas was the de facto sovereign of an independent Palestinian State known as gaza. There was a feeling that if hamas was incentivized through large payments of qatari cash, if we let 20,000 gaza flfrjts workers into israel every day and theyd bring back nice salaries, with social benefits, they got social benefits as well, that hamas would be very loathe to disrupt the status quo. A similar concept. It was wrong. It was wrong. I think that were not the first nation to make these mistake. I thought those that thought the Iranian Nuclear deal would somehow change the nature of the Iranian Regime were work. To incentivize them. When youre a terrorist, when youre a member of isis, member of al qaeda, hamas is no different, you dont operate according to a costbenefit analysis. At least as we understand it. Your benefit is in the hereafter. As an old professor used to say, destruction is not a deterrence for these people, its actually an incentive. Hamas doesnt care how many palestinians are killed in the effort to kill us. They occupy a different dark and evil universe, and it was a mistake. I think were going to learn by that mistake, and were never going to fall into that concept again. What youre describing is asymmetry, right . The assumption that you knew what you were dealing with when it was really an asymmetrical party that morphed into something much more isislike than in the past. I fell like thats a conversation that wed love to pursue with you in the days and weeks to come. Feels like perhaps the most important thing to make sure i think everybody understands that you were dealing with them thinking they were one thing. You see the savagery of saturday. Its clear theyre very much something far different. To use your words, sort of playing for the afterlife. Wow. Elad levy, please come back and keep us posted on everything you and your family are hearing about roni . Thank you. Nicolle, if i ma one thing thats important for us to say. As you said, were not set in the despair, as i told you, because we see a mission, and our mission is in our view roni is alive. We dont know, but shes alive. Probably kidnapped, which is a terrible situation. What we call is for a swift action from all the countries that call themselves western democracy, that share the same values of freedom and equality and humanity, and the u. N. And all other organizations that call themselves human organizations, for immediate action to release all the hostages, all the hostages taken by hamas in this barbaric action, all of them. They have children as young as 1 years old, 9 months old. They killed his parents, took him in. 40 kids like that. They have elders, 90, 95 years old. They have many, many females that they took, teenagers. They need to release all of them unconditionally. The world needs to unite. You mentioned it. This is isis. The horrors that weve seen, i dont know if youve seen the pictures in the villages, and i never thought i would say Something Like that, not on national tv. Theyve done actions worse than the nazis. They actually violated bodies. So we call for swift action from all these countries to stand beside us and to release all the hostages immediately, unconditionally. Elad levy, we will stay on this. Our thoughts and prayers with you, with roni. I hope youre all reunited shortly. Ambassador michael oren, thank you so much for your time. Again, please stay safe. Up next for us, the leader of a party that once took a crisis abroad very seriously is praising Terrorist Groups as, quote, really smart, end quote. How comments like those and the divisions here in our country are being received in israel and Around The World. Well bring you that story, unfortunately, next. Ing you tha unfortunately, next. You heard of a town named dinosaur, colorado. We just got an order from dinosaur, colorado. 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Secretary of state Antony Blinken in tel aviv earlier today standing sidebyside with israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu. Echoing joe bidens calls for adamant, unequivocal support for israel in the face of hamas Terrorist Attacks that have killed more than 1300 people, including 27 americans. Its a tragedy, and frankly, embarrassing that just hours before that happened in west palm beach, florida, it took the disgraced expresident and current 2024 gop frontrunner 20 minutes to mention the Terror Attack in israel during his bizarre twohour venti session before the crowd. He went after and criticized netaah he called himself, quote, the best friend israel has ever had in the white house, end quote. Perhaps worse of all, he praised hezbollah as, quote, very smart. Hezbollah is the Terrorist Group that ambassador oren was just talking about, thats Just Launched into israel this week, forcing israel to worry about fighting a war on two fronts. Today israels Communications Minister responded to donald trump and his dangerous and reprehensible comments telling israels channel 13 this, it is, quote, shameful that a man like that, a former u. S. President ab bets propaganda. Whether this man who might very well be president again cannot be relied on he said, quote, obviously. Joining our coverage, former cia director, msnbc Senior National security analyst john brennan is back. Also joining us, ambassador dan geller man, former israeli ambassador in new york. I dont know whether theres anything to say about donald trump at this point. I know theres an alert in this country to be on heightened alert. Theres a real fear and the president of the United States talked yesterday about surging funding to his own department of Homeland Security to protect jewish institutions, Jewish Community centers and schools. When you hear a former american president praising hezbollah as very smart, i wonwhat your list of concerns are . Well, you used words to describe that speech if i remember correctly. You said it was embarrassing, bizarre and chaotic. I can think of no better description. I must say that watching it i was truly wondering how someone like that has actually occupied the oval office for four years and is attempting to, and according to the polls, has a chance to reenter it. I truly think that the United States of america, the great United States of america deserves better. I think that what we did see in the last 24 hours is the difference between a person who was in the oval office now and the person who occupied it until two years ago. I think that President Biden yesterday gave by far the most proisraeli speech that any american president has ever given. That includes even harry truman who recognized israel 11 minutes after it was established. It was a speech full of compassion and it really proves how the president really feels about israel, and i must tell you it gave us during these very, very difficult days, a lot of relief, a lot of composure, a lot of courage, and we felt that not only did we have a friend in the white house, but that america was in very good hands and, therefore, israel is in very good hands. When you talk about the alert, the very, very high alert, im not surprised, because i really think what we saw the last few days in israel to a great extent a preview, just a trailer, soon to be seen in a theater near you. The horrors which witnessed in which hamas overtook by far isis in its cruelty and total disregard for human life, i think is a sign of what terrorists Around The World are likely to do. As ambassador oren said, and very rightly so, hamas is really the proxy of iran. Iran is the worlds most prolific generator, financer and perpetrator of terror. Im sure that iran was behind this, iran actually helped to plan it and to execute it, to a great extent because they wanted to derail and sabotage the upcoming deal between the United States, saudi arabia and israel, which was really in the making and would bring a whole new reality to our region. Hamas is not interested in peace. It is interested in unsettling and disrupting. I think what happened here, which is truly the worst thing that we have witnessed since the holocaust, including raping women and mutilating children and beheading people, was a testament to the cruelty of this horrible, horrible proxy of iran which in a way and i know this is very farreaching, makes isis seem like mother teresa. Director brennan, your thoughts. Your thoughts . Difficult to add to his eloquence, as well as his views about what has happened. I certainly feel for the people of israel who have had to go through such trauma. Veeen in co of my israeli friends and counterparts who have had loved ones, family, neighbors, killed as a result of the tremendously horrific atrocities perpetrated by hamas. So as we now are on the verge of, i think, seeing an understandable incursion by israel into gaza to be able to try to recover those hostages, i think what were, we want to make sure that those very powerful and poignant words of President Biden and Secretary Blinken contrasted to those comments by donald trump, i think the president and the secretary really reflected the views of the overwhelming majority of americans who are standing with israel at this very difficult time and are glad that our government, our country, is Lending Assistance to israel. Now, at the same time i think all of our hearts break and im sure the ambassadors heart breaks as well for those palestinians who have been subjected to hamass Terror Campaign which now puts palestinians at great risk. We see all the palestinians who have been killed. So as was expressed by the president to Prime Minister netanyahu, we would certainly expect israel to follow the rules of war, making sure that there is going to be a limited amount of casualties, risks in terms of the Civilian Population but this is a very, very challenging and complex task, unlike anything weve seen. Certainly in the recent past. And u. S. Secretary of state Antony BlinkenMaking A Point to say that hamas hides behind Civilian Populations. They hide their weapons behind Civilian Populations. That israel does not target the Civilian Populations in his Press Conference earlier today. I would like to put both of you on notice. We will be calling on both of you in the coming days frequently. Thank you for spending time with us today. A quick break for us. Well be right back. Tech need to get your windshield fixed . Safelite makes it easy. Tech vo you can schedule in just a few clicks. 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And we were saved by a miracle but there are friends that we love that arent thank you for being here. Its really important. That Exchange Ends with a big embrace. Hi again, everyone. Its 5 00 in new york. That powerful and emotional connection took place earlier today as the United StatesSecretary Of StateAntony Blinken reaffirmed the United States, quote, unequivocal support for israel. Today, Secretary Of StateBlinken Meeting with the Prime Minister and other israeli leaders in tel aviv, as well as survivors, like you saw there, of the horrific Terror Attack. Blinken emphasized the United States is doing everything in our power to assist israel in securing the release of the hostages taken into gaza, among which are some americans. As the number of americans confirmed dead from saturdays Terrorist Attack has now reached 27. The Hostage Crisis is growing more explore tense with each passing hour and day. Israeli Prime Minister netanyahu has vowed the complete siege of gaza, and said it would not be lifted until the hostages are released. Areas of gaza have been reduced to rubble and soot. Right now more than 300,000 are displaced. Right across the border, the military is preparing for a potential ground assault. Earlier, our colleague Allison Barber saw a series of israeli tanks moving just two miles from the gaza border. Lets bring into our coverage nbc news chief Foreign CorrespondentRichard Engel at the israelgaza border. Tell me what youve seen today and what you expect in the coming hours. Reporter well, i can tell you what weve been seeing over the last few hours and minutes. Continuous israeli airstrikes into gaza. Not just concentrated in gaza city but all throughout the gaza strip as far as we can tell from where they are. They seem to be coming every few minutes and they seem to be quite intense. Large munitions. There has been some rocket fire fired by hamas coming into israel, intercepted by the Iron Dome System bundle much rocket fire coming out of gaza. Mostly it has been israeli airstrikes going into gaza city and the areas around it. According to palestinian medical officials, they just updated their figures and they say that more than 1,500 palestinians have been killed since the, this air Campaign Began after saturdays hamas attacks. They say 6,000 palestinians have been injured. The Big Development that could happen at any time now, could it happen in the morning, it could happen tomorrow, we dont know. We know the israelis say they are ready for it, would be a Ground Incursion into gaza. Which would not be Just Launched from here. We are on the northern side of the gaza strip. But it could come from many Different Directions and involve naval attacks into gaza. So we are seeing the air campaign now but not the ground campaign. Richard engel, Secretary Of StateAntony Blinken made a point of explaining some of the hamas tactics for what were about to see unfold in gaza. He said this. Hamas uses civilians as Human Shields. They also hide their weapons behind Civilian Population centers. Israel does not target civilians. Any indication that hamas could or would change their ways as what you describe unfurls . Reporter well, hamas certainly does use Human Shields. It has just taken hostages and it is holding those hostages. They are both pawns to trade and Human Shields. When israel describes Human Shields in gaza, they mean hamas hides among the population and has some of its Command Centers allegedly under hospitals or under apartment buildings. And hamas certainly does do that. Some of it is by constraints because they operate in a small densely populated area. And some of it is for their own protection. I would not anticipate that theyre going to change their tactics now and suddenly come out into the open. We also hear drones over the sky. This area is intensely watched. If hamas gunmen suddenly started to move in formations and move around in open areas in gaza, i think they would be targeted quite quickly. So will hamas change its tactics . Hamas thinks its tactics are effective. If you listen to the hamas propaganda, and hamas has been putting out a lot of statements. They say what they did was legitimate. There was just a hamas statement in english a short while ago in which they claim they didnt hurt any civilians. They claim that they had been kind to the hostages. They insulted President Biden. A lot of what you would expect from hamas. But there was no indication that theyre going to change their tactics. They think what theyre doing is right and justified and effective and they have said theyre preparing for the israeli potentially ill penalty in Ground Invasion and they welcome it so they can fight on their own territory where they know the terrain. Your points in reporting about the use of propaganda are so interesting. It seems they are able to deploy some of that to great effect. We heard from an israeli official today who said the hospital is indeed out of fuel. The places where Hamas Terrorists beat, where they are. Reporter people stockpile fuel. Not only hamas. The gaza strip is a place that is frequently cut off. It is not, under normal circumstances, goods come in and out of there freely. It is a country, or a territory that exists with shortages, with closures, all the time. So people live with generators. They live with fuel canisters. So its not surprising that hamas would stockpile some supplies before a possible invasion. That is not surprising at all. Other people in gaza have been stockpiling as well. It depends on your economic capacity. Even now, those stockpiles, according to civilians who are inside, what is important to realize is, not everyone inside gaza is hamas. There areal, many who loathe hamas. They just want to live their lives. They try to stockpile fuel and food so they can live normally. And even many people that weve spoken to who are not hamas members are starting now to run very low on supplies. So stockpiling what you can is not an unusual activity. Richard engel, you are our eyes and ears in the region for all manner of crises, and unfortunately, as you just described the Civilian Population in gaza, it is all too frequent. What are your reflections in terms of what youve seen since youve been on the ground there this time . Reporter its i think how much people have forgotten about this conflict. People were asking me, why dont the palestinians just leave . Why isnt this like ukraine . Theyre under attack. Why arent the borders to egypt and other areas open . Why arent we seeing a stream of refugees heading into other countries . People dont necessarily, or maybe theyve forgotten because so many years have passed since theres been an intense middle east war and this is intensifying. It could become a broader middle east war. And theyve forgotten the dynamic here. Has the population. They are run by, there are 2 Million People as you mentioned in the gaza strip. They are run by hamas. Hamas took over throughout the previous government. The people there have no choice who governs them. Many of them do not like hamas but they cant leave. They cant overthrow their government. And now they feel that they are being punished for the actions, the brutal actions that hamas took and continues to justify. So when im here, and ive been here before. Ive covered conflicts between hamas and israel numerous times. Ive covered them from inside gaza. This time were covering them from outside gaza. Not by choice. Were covering it from outside gaza because we cant get into the gaza strip. It is completely sealed off. And to add to your question, its strange how much time has passed and how much people have forgotten about the basic dynamics of this conflict, and also, what makes this one so different was the sheer brutality of hamas. We had not seen that kind of thing before, where hamas went door to door, executing people, executing entire families. The increased skill that hamas had in its military tactics, and the hostage dynamic. Hostage dynamic is profoundly different this time. In previous conflicts, israel was able to bomb and move in with, i dont want to say with impunity because there was always pressure, humanitarian pressure, international pressure, not to cause too many casualties. But now there are israeli civilians, american civilians inside the gaza strip as it is under attack. It is a nightmare for a Military Planner and a nightmare for the people who live in gaza. The people who do not support hamas. Richard engel, everybody here is always indebted to you for your reporting. I think the sort of widening of the lens that you just provided is over important and so valuable. Im thankful for you taking the extra minute at midnight to share with us. Joining us, the former ambassador to the u. K. And to Prime Minister netanyahu. Mr. Ambassador, it is just after midnight. First, lets start with what is happening right now as far as you understand. So israel is at war. We didnt want to be at war. We didnt want this conflict. It is being forced upon us by hamas who, as you know, brutally attacked us last saturday. And we are responding. And though we didnt want this war, if we are forced to fight, and we are, we will win and we will win decisively but its been a very difficult few days for israel. What is the psychic state of your country . The ten stages of grief. Is the trauma settling in . How are people doing . I think the shock has passed. It is still there but were moving on. Theres a lot of grief. Weve been burying our dead. And every day there are countless funerals in places that i work in the government building, people are asking to take an hour off here, an hour off there to visit a funeral of a friend or family member. Its difficult. At the same time, its interesting. Israels politics over the last couple months has been very polarized. Weve been arguing politics very strongly, very passionately. And maybe these terrible attacks by hamas, as was said by Secretary Blinken when he was here, and my Prime Minister, isistype attacks in their brutality. But maybe the sheer brutality of it all has been a wakeup call for israelis. Weve got this maybe new sense of National Unity. And that has been reflected in the politics with the establishment now of the new National Unity government. Emergency government for the crisis. Members of the opposition have joined and the idea that we work together. I think israelis are determined to win this. We didnt want it but well win this. You see people volunteering for military service. Youve seen israelis living abroad. Come back especially to join their units. My daughter was on holiday in italy and she came back and the first thing she did when she came back, she rang up a unit and volunteered to serve. Shes now in the south and if i as the father am worried about my daughter, im one of hundreds of thousands of israelis who has either a child or a husband or a brother or sister in the military. The country is at war. When you say win this, what does that look like . It means defeating hamas. Hamas, as i think richard said, hamas has been ruling the gaza strip for 16 years. And there has been intermittent outbreaks of violence over that period. But there was hope in some circles that hamas was moderating. Yes, that the responsibility have governing of 2 Million People would force them to be more pragmatic and more moderate. But what we saw on saturday just exposed them for what they are. They are an isistype Terrorist Group. They are ruthless. They are, the values that they do, they are gruesome in a way. There were beheadings, there were rapes, there was massacres. Youve all reported this. I dont need to go into the gruesome details but they showed us what they are. They attacked us and when this is over, it wont be easy. Well have many Combat Casualties and it might go on for longer than we want. At the end of this, hamas will be crushed and hopefully, there will be room for a new reality in gaza. Mr. Ambassador, i ask the following question with all the humility that americans should ask this question and with the added humility of an alumni of the george bush administration. It seem like there are Big Questions among Israeli Citizens about not just how the attack wasnt anticipated, but also, about the excruciatingly slow Response Time and what youre describing. Did you understand hamas to be indiscernible . It was a wakeup call for israelis. Youre right. 100 correct. There is a feeling that we didnt play our part correctly. That the israeli National Security was effectively conducted. We pride ourselves in israel on krg excellent intelligence services. Israelis like to say its mossad, the west in the world. And they are very good. Here, nevertheless, hamas was obviously planning this for weeks if not months. We werent ready for them. We didnt anticipate the attack. Youre correct when you say, the attack happened. There is criticism amongst the communities along the border that the army wasnt quick enough to respond. So we are in a period of soul searching. What i think will happen was, were focused now on winning this war. We dont have a choice. We have to win this war. When it is over. Well have investigations, we have historical precedent for this. Israel is a democracy after the 1973 war which opened up in a similar way. There was an attack that wasnt seen, or a surprise attack. There were public inquiries, lessons were learned. There were consequences for certain officials involved. After the 2006 lebanon war, there was a similar process of a public discussion and inquiry. Its possible well have something similar now. Thats in the future. The focus has to be on winning the war. Thats where we are. Hamas must come out of this decisively defeated. And thats not just important to create a new reality in gaza where hamas is no longer the threat it has been. Though weve seen arabisraeli peace move forward in the last couple years, and there is no talk of expanding that circle of peace to include saudi arabia. There are still bad actors in the region. Whether it is hezbollah or the iranians over the horizon. It is important that they understand, if they strike against israel, we will hit back and we will hit back hard. Thats israeli deterrence. If they think you can hit the jewish state with impunity, so were just inviting more aggression. It is important that we demonstrate to hamas and everyone else can see in the region. You attack our people. You butcher our Civilian Population. You will pay a price. You talked about the divisions in your country before, and the unity after saturdays Terrorist Attack. How has that changed, Given Netanyahu . It has changed our government. We had very fractured politics. The government and the parliamentary opposition in constant bickering and argument. Very vibrant democracy in israel and we have very loud and passionate arguments. But now large parts of the opposition have joined the government in this sort of wartime National Crisis coalition, and i think thats good. Because if you are in war, you want the widest possible consensus and it is good. It is good that weve got this government now. Its good that the country is uniting and thats the way we can win. Please stay safe. To your daughter, who has come back from vacation to serve her country, we wish for her safety as well. Thank you very much for spending some time with us. When we come back, the trail of terror. How hamass barbaric attack unfolded. Some of the most horrific images from the kibbutzes targeted by the terrorists. Well be joined by the New York Times journalist who helped compile those pictures to tell that shocking story after a short break. Later in the broadcast, the misguided attempt by some in the Republican Party to Pit Military Aid for ukraine against support for israel. Our friend and Law Professor will dismantle that false premise when he joins us later in the broadcast. Please stay with us. Broadcast please stay with us. This is Spring Semester at fairfieldsuisun unified. They switched to google tools for education because theres never been a reported Ransomware Attack on a chromebook. Now theyre focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. sean i wish for the amazing new iphone 15 pro knowing jason eir data isean ure. Do you mean this one the one with titanium . 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Get way more into what youre into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. We thought it was important to tell the next story. So israel for all of its importance in the world, for all of its culture and natural beauty, is not a huge place. If you set out at the top of our program today at 4 00 p. M. Eastern driving from the Mediterranean Sea on the western coast, you would right now be arring on the dead sea at the eastern border. If israel were one of our 50 states, it would be around the size of the smallest, new jersey. To really understand this attack, we can go to the small pieces of it. Observe the specific instances. So from here on out, once again as we did in the last hour, fair warning. Weve done a little bit of blurring. Some of what youre about to see is graphic because the Terror Attack was graphic. First this map, the area you see highlighted, are highlighted for a reason. All sites of Terror Attacks and mass slaughters. The New York Times poured through all the available video from the south First Responders and other outlets documenting what took place on saturday. Indiscriminate shooting at the nova Music Festival. People burned so badly at nir oz, some people i couldnt recognize them. Take a look at what they found in kibbutz be eri. More than 100 people were killed. This video is graphic. Do we have that . At 6 00 a. M. On saturday morning, Security Cameras show two armed men shooting into a car before entering the kib it is. Hours later, they removed three bodies fro the car. Back to our maam. Kfar azza, a massacre. The israeli commander told the New York Times, some graphic video from the times. This is video from that location that shows a car, doors open, bodies oth ground. These videos, perhaps more than anything, reveal just how horrific thisocity was, and how it repeated itself over and over and over again. Joining our conversation, staff writer for the New York Times, and author of rise and kill first. The story of israels targeted assassinations. I read your journalism for many years. Thank you for being here. First this reporting feels like the first draft of history. Of israels october 7th. Lets talk about the reporting first. Take me inside this project. You know, i w embedded to one of the Commander Forces that freed the sights we saw this week are worse than bucha. The extent of hatred, evil, unimaginable. And this is an area in a country that is used to war and difficult times and difficult sights. Nobody expected that. Not just the intelligence sense of no warning. But nobody expected those people to cross the border with one order, to kill as many jews as possible. And i think that it is not just it was to kill. Now we have video of the perpetrators. They were carrying phones. They had their orders to video, document what they are doing. I think, not knowing but seeing all of that, that they had orders to humiliate, to torture, to dehumane people of all kinds, all ages. Document and send it over immediately to special groups created by the leaders in hamas in gaza, and they immediately put those on the social network, and for the israelis to see that. This is going to be a National Trauma for many years. I think it is all of our fears of the holocaust. The inability to live in our country safely. And suddenly, the borders are not clear. People always thought that the division was on the other side and suddenly, they see this. One of the fighters rushed with his gun to help. He said i couldnt imagine just in the middle of israel, someone is shooting an rpg on me. He killed that one but there were so many. And i think this action, the decision to take this action by hamas, whoever took this decision, they said it was the whole region to live on its sword for many, many years. Because theres no way that true or not, justice or no justice, theres no way i think in the foreseeable future that the israelis would trust the palestinians, the moderate palestinians, and im saying this is a fact, that they will trust them to have a diplomatic solution on this dispute. This is horrible. So sentencing the region to live on the sword. What does that mean . What does that look like . Well, weve seen how it looks like. And it will continue. I think people maybe dont understand the mindset from the israeli point of view. It is not just about revenge. It is revenge for sure. We hear the change in vocabulary from israeli political military leaders that is all using language and words that were never used before. And it is clear what they are planning to do. It is not just about revenge. I think that hamas, for reasons i cannot understand, hamas has left israel with no choice. Because if the israeli understanding of the middle east, if it does not react with Massive Force to the extent of disassem disassembling, not the movement. The movement is the heart and minds of people. You can be destroy it. But to destroy the hamas regime. Unless this is happening and israel would not regain its deterrence, then israel has no chance to live here because other foes will see and do the same. And israel is almost doomed. It has an obligation to take down, which means to conquer much of gaza. Our last guest, the ambassador acknowledged that mistakes were made and that there would be an investigation. How patient do you think the israeli Civilian Population will be for answers about what happened on saturday . You described it as buchalike. In your words, it was worse than bucha but it was eight or nine buchas at the same moment. The number is staggering. I heard the ambassador saying, mistakes were done. Basically, taking responsibility for mistakes that all the different entities of the state, the military, the intelligence have done, except for one entity which he did not take responsibility for, that is his boss, Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu. Who by many israelis see as not just the Prime Minister, he is in charge of everything in the state. But because Benjamin Netanyahu was warned so many times. But all the chiefs of the intelligence, that the continuation of the political crisis is seen by israeli enemies as weakness, and that in secret chatter among the socalled, the members of the socalled axis of resistance, they say this is the right time. Secret intercept of the leaders say now we need to attack israel now. And the leaders of the intelligence and the military warned netanyahu many, many, many, many times. They said if you do not stop the legislation, we will face with a preemptive strike by one of our enemies. And benjamin said for reasons again i cannot understand. His reasons or hamas reasons, Benjamin Netanyahu decided to continue with the legal judicial overhaul. And i think now he, or people in israel, expected that he will take some responsibility. The Chief Of Staff today said about the military, we did not supply the israelis the safety and security we should have supplied them last saturday. He took responsibility. But netanyahu is taking no responsibility. We just saw his ambassador, head of media, who says everything, yes, it was not okay, the military was not good. We dont describe it, we will investigate this today. So they do everything but not investigating today because they spread the responsibility and they do everything but taking responsibility. The polls that were published today, i think published tomorrow, see that the public in israel, the support to netanyahu and likud is declining. I understand what youre saying. While netanyahu was carrying out his autocratic move by many in this country, his judicial overhaul, he was being warned by his intelligence individuals that that would leaf israel vulnerable to a strike from one of israels enemies . Repeatedly. He was warned on two, i would say, two different ways which are connected. One is that as much as this judicial continues and more and more reserves quit serving, the israeli security, much of it dependent, especially the pilots, dependent on the operational capacity is dependent on the reserves. And the second is that the israeli enemies, Secretary General of the hezbollah, the Supreme Leader from iran, and leaders of hamas and the palestinians, they are all saying, if there is time to attack israel, now is the time. Israel is weak. Israel is like spider web. Thats the famous phrase used, very strong from afar but when you touch it, it melts in your hands. Israel is disintegrating, and if according to this intelligence that was given many times to Prime Minister netanyahu, if there is a reason why they are not attacking is that they maybe think the israelis are doing their job for them. At the end of the day, this prophecy, this gloomy tragic prophecy that the enemies of israel would try to use this opportunity, came to reality. We see the results. A tragedy. We will continue to call on you. Thank you very much. Grateful to get to talk to you today. Thank you. Ahead for us, two u. S. Allies. Two democracies under attack and the cynical work of republicans trying to pit one against the other. Well explain after a very short break. After a very short break. Acks. But the same aipowered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. Everything i do thats for my health is an accomplishment. Concerns of getting screened faded away to my astonishment. 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Lets do it look how its absorbing and locking it right on in look at that no liquid, no nothing. Totally absorbed you feel no wetness. Oh my gosh are you a believer now . Im a believer i got to get some always discreet our support for israel is rock solid. Were working urgently to get israel what it needs to defend itself and we will do so even as we continue to support the people of ukraine as they fight against russian aggression. Make no mistake. We can and will stand by israel, even as we stand by ukraine. The United States can walk and chew gum at the same time. But we need to be reminded, right . That was u. S. Secretary of defense lloyd austin on the imperative of could go just that, walking and chewing gum at the same time. To provide aid to our allies and friends in ukraine and israel. It comes as people like missouri senator josh holley, talked about diverting aid to israel. Our allies, a rare outpost of struggling democracy, surrounded by authoritarian enemies sworn to destroy them by general sidal aggression. Our National Security demands that we defend both. Not pit their needs for funds against one another. The path is clear. Joining us, the man who wrote those words. He has taught Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School for five decades and is considered one of the most foremost experts in the world. Jong me at the table, and msnbc analyst peter. Am i saying it right . I practiced but i can never be sure. Professor tribe, i want to start with the funning issue. I want to get to, before i go to bed, i pull up your twitter feed. Its usually the last thoughts i have, the warnings and worries you have. Lets start first with this false choice about funding our allies. Its humbling to know my thoughts are the ones you look at. I should be watching netflix. But im looking at your tweets instead. Im deeply torn by all of this. My ancestral roots are in places like ukraine. I have russian refugee parents and grandparents who come from that bloodsoaked region. I have first cousins, family, who live now in israel. I see them both as beleaguered, as i say, the outposts of democracy. When i hear someone as bright as josh hawley play them against each other, it outrages me, as well as tearing me apart. We can do both. We can defend both of these democracies. Even with a dysfunctional congress. We do have billions of dollars of sovereign russian assets. Frozen pursuant to sanctions in the United States and the other countries of the g7. And ive done a careful study with lawyers, a careful study of why the law today allows President Biden with the stroke of a pen to seize and transfer billions of dollars of those assets with no add burden on our taxpayers, directly to help rebuild ukraine and of course, defend it. It seems to me absolutely imperative that we do that. That we do it without decreasing at all the aid that we give to israel. But until Congress Gets its act together and has a speaker of the house, the continuing resolution that would be essential to replenish the iron dome that protects the people of israel from continued onslaught with rockets, that cant happen. It seems we need desperately to do both. The connections between these two democracies are deep in our own roots. It is in our essential National Interest to advance the cause of human rights in both places. And i know the essential human rights and the right to live in safety are some of the messages that youve, it seems, it has pained you that it isnt easy for people to articulate this when it comes to israel. Will you say a little about that . Well, it seems to me in the long run, all people have to have dignity and equality. Thats why im deeply sim that a Athleticic To The Rights of palestinians, as well as the rights of israelis. When i see people like steve bannon and this guy Adam Gillette of Accuracy In Media pitting them against each other, and having trucks driving through cambridge making it look like the jewish students of cambridge are naming and shaming the kids in various organizations that issued statements of sympathy to the palestinians and indeed, outrageous statements of sympathy to hamas, it seems to me that exemplifies the way in which putin and iran and their proxies in america, people like bannon and Accuracy In Media specialize in ripping us apart. Dividing us against one another. Putting us against each other when we ought to unite in the basic principles that every person deserves dignity, equality and freedom. Israel now clearly has to defend itself. That is going to mean unspeakable pain for palestinians and for the hostages. Some of whom are american citizens. Some of whom are israelis. You cant expect israel to simply turn the other cheek when isis likes to slaughter, the beheading of little baby, families raped, the very things that happened in bucha are being done by hamas in israel. It is important to know the techniques that putin and that the mercenaries, that advanced techniques have been replicated by the hamas in israel. And whether or not we focus as ronend, we have to put the blame where it belongs. The blame in ukraine is on russia. The blame in the attack on israel is on hamas. But in systemic longfestering problems that led to these attacks have to be attacked as well. But first things first. We now have to unite as the president , i think, eloquently said the other night. We have to unite behind israel and its right to defend itself. There will be time after that happens to assess blame and work toward longterm solutions. Professor tribe, President Joe Biden in remarks yesterday, it was an antisemitism roundtable that he attended. He revealed, i think it was the first time he talked about it publicly, taking all his kids and grand kids to dachau. We are living in a time when republicans are supporting the banning of books and censorship of what is taught in terms of our history. The parallels to ukraine and the tactics used in bucha and the, i think there are nine sites where massacres took place on saturday, are isis like and theyre similar. The dehumanization has a clear code of history. This is the most jews that have been murdered since the holocaust. What are your concerns about this sort of aversion to learning from the worlds history . It seems to me that erasing history is the most horrible thing we can possibly do. It is only if we deeply remember the past that we can hope not to repeat it. It is partly because people have erased the history of the holocaust. Because not enough people exposed their kids, not just their biological and adopted kids but the kids they teach, to the history of antisemitism, the history of dehumanization at places like dachau. It is because of that that it is possible for groups like isis and al qaeda and their latest incarnation, hamas, to slaughter Human Beings In The Name Of the afterlife. In the name of some reward beyond. But as long as we have these religious wars. As long as we pit ourselves against each other and not recognize deeply our shared humanity, there isnt going to be any hope. The reason i remain optimistic is i think in the long run, the book burners lose. In the long run, those who try to erase history will be overcome by the great power of reality. And i think the power of reality and truth will prevail. I have to believe that. Ive spent my life trying to advance those causes. I have students all over the world who work to advance them. 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I think we need to remember what it felt like in america after 9 11. We didnt want to hear anything except we will crush them. And the british and other countries said fine, but they werent actually doing us a service, because look at what ultimately happened. We have to ask hard questions about what is going to happen. Israel can raise gaza to the ground, and then what . It cant govern it without being in its own vietnam or its own iraq, because the gazans will fight them, and any government that they put in, the gazans will fight them. They can kill a lot of hamas members. A lot of hamas members deserve to tie and destroy the weapons. But what about the children . Children in gaza have been living under a block kate in a place the u. N. Calls unlivable, an openair prisons that bn been bombarded again and again and again. Theyre going to inflict this, and you think those are the people who you think youre going to live along with . These kids who have suffered excruciating trauma in nobody in my Jewish Community wants to hear this. They think if we say these things, were traitors. But these are the things we should have been thinking about after 9 11 in the United States. We need to ask them, what next after you pulverize gaza . What next is like the most profound thing anyone could say right now. I appreciate you for saying that. I hope youll come back. Thank you very much. Professor lawrence tribe, i didnt have time in todays broadcast to tell your story of fame and connection to my early childhood. Thank you so much. We have to sneak in another break. Well be right back. Other break. Well be right back. Its a nail fungus infection. Thats gross its nothing, really. Its contagious. You can even spread it to other people. Mom, come here dont worry about it. Itll go away on its own no, it wont go away on its own. Its an infection. You need a prescription. Nail fungus is a contagious infection. 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