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Quite a few republican lawmakers who risked losing control of the house floor yesterday because so many of them were up in New York City vying for a seat at Donald Trumps criminal trial. In just the last two weeks, the speaker of the house, mike johnson, along with representatives, lauren boebert, matt gaetz, bob good, byron donalds, andy biggs, mike waltz and matt norman have gone to manhattan to be seen on camera publicly supporting donald trump at the courthouse. Yesterday, so many went up that a Republican House oversight hearing to hold Merrick Garland in contempt had to be postponed nine hours. Then when it finally started, it abruptly stopped because Marjorie Taylor greene asked the democrats if any of them employed the daughter of the judge who was overseeing Donald Trumps trial. Do you know what were here for . Point of order. You the one talking about i think your fake eyelashes are messing up hold on. Holden. Order. Mr. Chairman. Thats beneath even you. I would like to move to take down ms. Greenes words. That is absolutely unacceptable, how dare you attack the physical appearance of another person. Are your feelings hurt. Move her words down. Oh, girl, baby girl. Oh, really. Dont even play. Baby girl . I dont think so. We are going to move, and were going to take your words down. Im not apologizing. Then were not striking your words. Im not apologizing. Come on, guys. Why dont you debate me . Mr. Chairman, the minority its pretty selfevident. You dont have enough intelligence. The chair recognizes mr. Perry. Move the strike the ladies words. Im just curious, just to better understand your ruling if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebodys bleach blond bad butch body, that would not be engaging in personalities correct. Im trying to get clarification. This is what yall do. Oh, gosh, ali vitali, and the Washington Post national editor, phil rucker. If i wasnt currently in the middle of reading a book about all of the violence in congress and Congress People engaging in duels and punching people on the floor and pulling guns on the floor in congress in the lead up to the civil war, i would be shocked and appalled by what im seeing today, and yet still, still it is surprising to see that level of childish behavior in the house. Yeah, i mean, theres vitriol, which we have all become accustomed to, and then theres the congressional hearing we saw last night, this congress seeming to top itself when it comes to hearings like this one. But of course the larger theme here is that its a reminder of just why this congress is so difficult in terms of moving in bipartisan posture on really anything. There is that level of vitriol between even younger members where typically i think some of us who cover this building look at younger members of congress and think, okay, maybe they can come in with less political baggage and make things work. Clearly thats not the case, especially not the oversight committee. They did get what they came for. They passed the resolution of contempt against the attorney general. Thats the same thing the Judiciary Committee did earlier in the day with much less fanfare and name throwing. But this is what we see now in this congress, and this is what republican majority has to show for having the gavels. I think my favorite part of that interaction, though, might be Ranking Member raskins face as he tries to watch all of these procedural slights of hand go back and forth between both sides. It was sort of the comedic relief you needed if you were watching that hearing late last night as many of us were. But this is, again, this congress. Phil, are they getting anything done in this congress . Are republicans passing legislation by and large . Reporter yes sorry, go ahead, phil. Theyre getting some things done, for example, the foreign aid bill a couple of weeks ago. Not nearly the kind of ambitious agenda that i think speaker johnson wanted to push through, nor that President Biden would like to see push through on the democratic side. The big ticket items apart from a few highlights in bidens term have not moved forward and congress has been defined bipartisan led investigations is some of the fighting youre seeing here. For a moment, it looked like House Republicans might lose control of the floor because so many republicans have been going up to see donald trump at his criminal trial. Why do democrats not try to seize control . In theory, thats something that could have happened. Youre right to point that out. Were seeing more members. All of the faces you see on the screen go up and fall literally in line behind the former president as he continues to attend court in lower manhattan. That in and of itself is striking. In any other world, being at court, defending yourself on the criminal charges would not be something the Party Faithful would want to be a part of, and there you see a large cluster of House Freedom caucus members by the former president s side, doing what he can, which is speaking out about the trial. Democrats probably didnt take advantage of that. While it is something that could have happened, i dont really see what the up side of it could have been in this moment. It all goes back to what we saw, frankly, just two weeks ago, a week ago when Marjorie Taylor greene tried to oust speaker johnson, and democrats came to the aid to say lets table the motion. We would like to keep this place functional. There is a foundation, they would like to make it through the rest of this congress with the Leadership Team in place that republicans have, that democrats have. Getting through the rest of the congressional term is simply enough at this point. Though well see, maybe theres a moment in the future where republicans leave in mass, democrats try to take advantage of that. Everyones going to get to go home with what they needed to get done and campaign to keep their seats. Look, this is a political calculation theyre making. Hes the standard bearer of their party in a critical election year. Hes going to be the republican nominee for president. They know he has enormous sway with their base voters, Republican Voters and so they want to yolk themselves to him, even if it means going up to court and standing at his side as he faces criminal charges, and, you know, i think theyre trying to win some favoritism by him, but theyre also trying to shore him up and signal to their Republican Voters around the country that he doesnt stand trial alone, that he has the full backing of so many of the republican leadership. Phil rucker, ali vitali, thank you very much. Joining us now, atlantic senior editor, david frum. Help me make sense of this. Its not as if congress has been a functional place for its existence. Oftentimes its punctuated by vitriol or violence as it has in the past. Were in a weird and surreal moment. Do you understand whats going on . I think the book youre referring to is the field of honor. No field of blood. Its worth congress in the 1850s, congress was drunk half the time. I dont know if thats true today. There was a plan here. What youre watching is the breakdown of the failure to implement. The plan was this congress, the congress elected in 2022 was going to have a big republican majority and was going to use the majority to set up investigations, which at a maximum would severely hurt the Biden Administration and at a minimum would neutralize the scandals of the trump administration. Republicans have such a bad election in 2022, it wasnt just they want a very narrow misht in the minority in the house, they dropped four state legislatures. From the beginning, they were on the wrong foot. Then the investigations all went wrong, partly because there wasnt anything there, and partly because the thin republican majority just didnt have the talent. We see james comer. Hes not respected by his own republican members and to the democrats, hes just a weak joke. So the Scandal Politics that were supposed to at least advance harm against the Biden Administration, theyre not working and trumps legal problems got worse. He is in court on jail, on felony charges. He may be in prison soon. There are other trials coming. He owes half A Billion Dollars in civil fines. He had to post a bond that may or may not be a valid bond. And the Republican Congress then began to turn on itself, and throw into all of this, twohand grenades. One is for security, republicans said they wanted and they had the humiliation of displaying their own bill. And the other was the split over ukraine. Half the Republican Congress wanted to defend ukraine. Half of the Republican House members, a little more, wanted to sell out ukraine. And in the end, johnson bet on the pro ukraine side. And that destroyed any kind of working majority for him. Youre watching the failure and chaos and rubble from a strategy that was put in place in order to advance republican hopes in 2024, and that isnt working. Let me ask you about these appearances. Part of this is a tryout for would be or want to be Vice President ial Running Mates for donald trump. Weve seen number of senators that have hoping for that as well. As well as former governors or current governors or representatives. The last Vice President that donald trump had, mike pence, left office under threats to hang him. Threats that were, if not outwardly endorsed, then basically endorsed by donald trump himself. What kind of person wants the job of vp to president trump, and what sort of deal are they making or assurances are they making to themselves or potentially to the candidate about what they would be willing to do to not end up in the same position as mike pence. Well, i think there are basically two groups here that i see. Doug burgum, jd vance who have their own vision of themselves. They think you just eat the toes, four years of vice presidency, leave office, and well positioned to be the partys nominee and president itself. The problem is trump recognizes those people. What he is looking for is a human zero. He will put the noose around his own neck and hang himself first. Anything that smacks of talent or character or independent judgment is going to be anathema to trump. You said that debating donald trump would be elevating him as a worthwhile or worthy candidate here, that he shouldnt be treated as such. He should be treated as a traitor. In the time since you wrote that, there have now two debates have been scheduled with different circumstances around them, by a news organization, in a studio, no audience. The mic will get cut off when a candidate goes over time. Are you reconsidering your position. Well, im not sure the debates are going to happen. And im not sure the Biden Administration has rejected the logic of what i argued. My point was not dont elevate them. Hes a past president of the united states, obviously hes one of the most elevated people in the world. Hes conspicuous. My concern was just remember you have to watch tv as we all know in the tv world with the sound off to understand the real message. When you put donald trump on the stage with the president of the united states, what youre saying is these are equal categories here, and not just in terms of prominence, but in terms of position and character. Look, the president does not do joint appearances with people indicted for and convicted of felonies. Donald trump is indicted for felonies, he may soon be convicted. What is going to happen on the debate is the expert moderators, who are very skilled, fairminded tv people are going to be constantly saying, president trump, we are going to get to the overthrow of the Constitution Point in a minute, right now, the topic is inflation or Foreign Policy or the topic is what have you. And so President Biden will be put in a position where a violent attempt to overthrow the constitution will be one of many. And maybe a convicted felon. Its not one issue out of many. Its the issue. And if President Biden will not insist that this is the issue, who else is going to insist that this is the issue . Yeah, you argue it would be very strange for the moderator to say well get to mr. Trumps alleged violent coup in a moment, but in this segment, were discussing food prices, equalizing those two as if they are equal. David frum, great to have you. Read his pieces in the atlantic. And field of blood, the history of violence in congress. Still ahead, what we know about the three hostages whose bodies were recovered by the idf. And new Surveillance Video shows Sean Diddy Combs in a physical altercation with then girlfriend cassidy. First up, whats next in Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial with Michael Cohen set to return to the stand again on monday. Were back in 90 seconds. Nday were back in 90 seconds for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. 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So Michael Cohen had testified that on october 24th as they were negotiating the Stormy Daniels settlement, meaning he with stormys lawyer, keith davidson, he reached out to keith schiller, then former president trumps body guard and asked to speak to trump over the phone. It was routine for him to do that if he needed to reach trump, and he says on october 24th, he notified them he was Going Forward with the deal, and trump approved it. What the defense showed was a series of Text Messages showing that Michael Cohen had grown annoyed by harassing phone calls. At that point, schiller was the liaison to the secret as much as. Keiths response was call me. Then the defense showed that schiller and cohens phone call on october 24th was very soon thereafter that text. Casting their conversation in a very different light. That 1 32 long phone call suddenly seemed to be different than the Stormy Daniels settlement. How damaging was it . I dont know how damaging it was. When you look at the phone calls writ large, Michael Cohen and donald trump talk for longer than 1 32. The 26th is on the day that emails show cohen and davidson come to a meetings of the mind about the settlement. Its funded two days later. Its negligible in the arc of the case. Whats more problematic. He seemed very sure of himself that that phone call took place on that day, and that was the reason he called schiller and that cast into doubt his veracity as well as the completeness of the district attorneys own investigation. I was wondering why the defense didnt come back to that after the lunch break. They seem to build to something and let it fizzle. To come back to it would have given Michael Cohen more of an opportunity to explain himself. I think its telling they didnt have other episodes like that. They had a mountain of data, and in that mountain of data they found one issue to exploit gl how much more cross on monday . I think maybe an hour or two. And blanche may have over sold that, and thats to throw your opponent off the game. They wont commit whether they have witnesses in their own case, and how much time they have left with cohen, thats designed to keep the prosecution working on other things that they might not have to deal with on monday. Theres a lot of analysis from our legal minds that if the prosecution goes back to redirect Michael Cohen on the substance of that call, they might elevate it as something that as was really important and is damaging. What is your sense of what the d. A. Is going to do, trying to redirect cohen, and potentially trying to clean up anything . I dont know what the d. A. Is going to do. Partially its because im not sure if they actually missed it or just thought it was not credible and cohen was giving the more credible account. It may be they will go back to it and juxtapose that conversation with emails to shown even the defense didnt give an accurate and complete picture of the communications about the settlement at the time. If they dont go back to it, their argument to the jury in closing will be use your common sense. Theres no other explanation for how things unfolded other than the fact that donald trump wanted them to go this way. If you were to bet when are closings going to begin. Tuesday. Tuesday. Lisa rubin, thank you very much. And what an upside down American Flag was doing in the yard of a Supreme Court justice and what that justice is now saying about it. A newly released Surveillance Video shows an altercation between Sean Diddy Combs and his then girlfriend, well show it to you next. Well show it to you next. For nearly 160 years, pnc bank has been brilliantly boring so you can be happily fulfilled. 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Joining us now is nbc News Entertainment correspondent, chloe melas. This is a really gross video to watch. It is. Cassie ventura, she was in a relationship with diddy for over a decade. Nbc news, we have not independently confirmed that is Sean Diddy Combs. We havent heard anything from his legal team. He vehemently denied any allegations of physical or Emotional Abuse at the time of this lawsuit that was filed, and there was a settlement within 24 hours of cassies lawsuit. Now, i was just on tv with nbc news legal analyst, danny cevallos, who said according to the state laws of california where this alleged incident took place in 2016, if that is indeed cassie and that is indeed, diddy, you know, the statute of limitations has passed, in terms of bringing criminal charges against him. At the same time, there is a federal investigation into sex trafficking. We know his homes were raided on both coasts a few weeks ago. He has not been charged with anything criminally. We do not know what those investigators found, if they are planning to bring an indictment against him. Danny cevallos did say that this could be roped into some sort of larger federal investigation. Yeah, whats interesting is that when she made the allegations about him and left him, his defense was very quick to say that these are not true. He came out and said that the allegations against him are disgusting and false and he would never do the things as she alleged. This video, i mean, obviously she alleged more than the violence, but this video, im surprised that we havent seen any swift reaction from his legal team saying that, a, this didnt happen or wasnt him or trying to put some spin on it. First of all, i do want to point out that cassie venturas legal team release add strong statement saying that, basically the video doesnt lie. Our client was steadfast and strong and that we applaud her courage for coming forward when she did. In terms of diddy, we havent heard anything from him. Youre right. Over the last few days, we have seen him portray himself as a family man, posting pictures of himself on social media with his children, posting cryptic messages that only time will tell the truth. I mean, at the end of the day, diddy is one of the biggest figures in rap music, modern day rap music history, right . He has launched the careers of countless individuals. There has never been Video Footage. He has had brushes with the law. There has never been damming Video Footage like this if it is indeed him. Obviously everyone is waiting to see what hes going to say. Also, there are Big Questions as to how did ihg, the Hotel Company around this, did they know about this video in 2016 . Did anyone call the police . Why did they not . How did this video manage to stay under wraps since 2016 . In the lawsuit, they allege in the lawsuit that was filed several months ago that was then settled that Sean Diddy Combs allegedly paid the hotel or the employee 50,000 for this Video Footage. Who had it, who blocked it from getting out, and why are we just knowing about it now. Obviously there are a lot of questions, and we have not heard back yet from ihg, and obviously we havent heard back at nbc news from diddys legal team. I wonder the legal ramifications for the hotel and whether they can be held responsible for hiding an assault with that, and whether the statute of limitations has passed for that as well. The man who broke into former House Speaker Nancy Pelosis home and hit her husband with a hammer was sentenced to 30 years in prison. David depape broke into the pelosis home before he struck the 83yearold, paul pelosi in the head. Heres what prosecutors said about the sentencing. The brutal attack on paul pelosi in his home was not only an attack on an individual but an assault on the very principles and safety and civility that form the bedrock of our democracy. Coming up, israel says it has recovered the bodies of three hostages, who they are and what they know about their deaths. First up, though, the Supreme Court caught in another partisan controversy. Whats making the senate Judiciary Committee urge one justice, this one right here, to recuse himself from cases related to january 6th. Cases related to january 6th ella we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. jen thats enterprise intelligence. vo its your vision, its your verizon. Did you ever worry we wouldnt get to enjoy this . [jeff laughs maniacally] Inner Monologue seriously, im on the green and all i can think about is all the green im spending on 3 kids in college. With empower, i get all of my financial questions answered. So i dont have to worry. Empower. 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Joining us now from jerusalem is independent journalist, noga tarnopolsky, decades of experience covering israeli politics. Its been a moment since we have spoken to you. Where do the politics of all of this stand in israeli right now . The politics are really broken. Israelis are looking up to a government who seems to be looking anywhere but them. The israeli Prime Minister, i think maybe people should know, hasnt given a single interview to a single israeli journalist since the war started. Not one. And he makes precious little statements, and his ministers kind of speak each one for himself. And so you have the more extremists calling for basically a takeover of gaza, and the expulsion of the palestinian population of gaza. That happened this week on israeli independence day, and then you have the more conventional ministers who are still there calling for regular members, for calling for a leadership who can take over, including very dramatically this week, the Defense Minister from netanyahus own party, and he just went out in public and flat out said the Prime Minister is refusing to decide and is dragging out this war so as not to have to decide between his most extremist Coalition Members and the rest of the world. You see he hasnt done an interview wan israeli journalist, why is he not giving interviews to israelis when the war is affecting the region and israelis, its affecting the people right now. Why is he not speaking directly to the people through one of their journalists . Hes afraid of israel. He doesnt want to have to answer the kind of questions that an israeli journalist would ask him. For example, this week in a very very rare interface, he happened to find himself in front of one israeli journalist when he took a Helicopter Ride to the southern border and this journalist was there. The journalist took the opportunity and said, mr. Prime minister, the army chief of staff, the head of the, they have all said they will resign after this war is over. Will you resign as well . To which netanyahu before turning away said the only important thing right now is to fight the war, and thats why he doesnt want to speak with israeli journalists and thats why he hand chooses. He spoke this week with dr. Phil. He spoke on a political, right wingish political podcast. Spoke on msnbc, as you said, he does not want to have to relate to israeli people. He doesnt go to the funerals of soldiers. He simply does not interact. And thats causing, i mean, a kind of shattering confusion, i would say, for israelis. Cnbc, not msnbc, also we would welcome him on this show. Oh, sorry. Thats right. Cnbc, i apologize. Thats okay. Noga tarnopolsky, thank you very much. Its always good to get some perspective from Inside Jerusalem from one of the locals, we appreciate it. Thank you. And what some black voters are saying about this novembers election, who does and does not have their support . And what a symbol of stop the steal was doing on the front lawn of a Supreme Court justice. Production, efficiencies, and greater agility. jen thats enterprise intelligence. vo its your vision, its your verizon. Tamra, izzy, and emma. They respond to emails with phone calls. And they dont circle back, theyre already there. They wear Business Sneakers and pad their keyboards with something that makes their clicketyclacking. Clicketyclackier. But no one loves logistics as much as they do. You need tamra, izzy, and emma. They need a retirement plan. Work with principal so we can help you with a retirement and benefits plan thats right for your team. Let our Expertise Round out yours. 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[ laughter ] its funny because im not boss material the New York Times reports Justice Samuel alito had an upside down flag outside of his Virginia Home in the days leading up to President Bidens inauguration in 2021. Flown upside down, the flag was once a military sos, but now an upside down flag is widely viewed as a symbol of stop the steal. Here is a photograph the times said it obtained of the flag on his lawn. They also interviewed a number of neighbors who say they saw the flag flown upside down like this for several days in january 2021 just as the court was deciding whether to hear a case on the 2020 election. At face value, it would appear to be a clear violation of long standing ethics for lower courts, not to mention the recent guidelines adopted for Supreme Court employees. The court has not said whether those rules apply to the justices, and in a statement to the times, Justice Alito blamed his wife, mrs. Alito, saying i had no involvement whatsoever in the flying of the flag. It was briefly placed by ms. Alitos, in response to a neighbors use of objectable language on yard signs. Mark joseph stern, if you saw the flag upside down like that and even if it was his wife that put it up and it was in response to a neighbor that they were in a fight with, why would he not say maybe this isnt a good idea for me considering my position . Thats a great question. Why would he not immediately rush out to right the flag, not only because of what it stands for with regard to stop the steal but because of course, this goes against the flag code thats enshrined into u. S. Law that says a flag should never be flown upside down, unless as you noted, its a symbol of military distress. Justice alito presented himself who holds deep respect for the flag, and of a generation that venerated the flag and held many great debates about whether Flag Desecration could be criminalized. When i first saw the photo what shocked me most wasnt just at the time it was a symbol for stop the steal, of course thats ghastly, what shocked me is that here you have the alitos household, two individuals who hold themselves out to the public as great patriots disrespecting the flag on display, evidently to own their liberal neighbors. Its really shocking. And i thought i couldnt be shocked by anything the alitos do anything, but i guess theres a new low now. If the chief Justice Roberts is going to be having a conversation about this, say he does Behind Closed Doors with Justice Alito can you fathom how that conversation might go . Well, unfortunately, i dont think the Chief Justice will have a conversation with alito, and i think thats part of the problem. That the Chief Justice is, i think, too afraid to confront his colleagues specifically sam alito and Clarence Thomas about their extremism and the damage that they are doing to the court. He has taken a handsoff approach to this issue. Instead hes tried to assure the public that they have this ethics code thats elusive and nonbinding. I think that cowardice extends further outside the court and to the legal profession. In many of these january 6th cases, weve known that Clarence Thomas has a serious conflict of interest, and Samuel Alieu Toe alito have a conflict of interest. The justice gets to choose whether they recuse or not, im sure they wouldnt, but at least that would put the spotlight and pressure on them and create conversation around them. Its dispiriting for me when we have the january 6th cases, the trump immunity case, the j 6 Insurrection Criminal Cas this shouldnt be happening with Clarence Thomas and alito other. How much authority does the senate Judiciary Committee have . They have minimal authority over the courts Internal Affairs in part because the congress has decided that its not going to expend enough Political Capital to actually enact any kind of real court reform. You know, in theory, congress could reduce the Supreme Courts budget, zero out the budget, make them work out of a wework if they wanted to. The senate could subpoena the court for records and documents. The senate could drag sam alito before the committee and say answer these questions but its not doing that because this is still only a passion for the more progressive members of the democratic party, and i think until that changes, until more moderate democrats are truly up in arms about this, youre not going to see any kind of Real Movement about congress performing its legitimate constitutional oversight duties over a coequal branch of government. Mark joseph stern, always great to have you. Thank you very much. Coming up next, they say they feel abandoned by both political parties. What that means for President Biden and potentially what that means for former president and theyre all coming . Those who are still with us, yes. Grandpa whats this . Your wings. Light em up gentlemen, its a beautiful. Day to fly. As november inches closer, President Biden is trying to recapture the party, including voters who have started to stray. Among them black voters, especially younger men, who polls show are turning away interest joe biden and potentially towards donald trump. Joining us correspondent jermaine lee. A group of young black men saying you can no longer take our vote for granted. I went to detroit to talk to a bunch of guys, any candidate who wants our vote you have to come and see us, ask for our vote, work for it. Check it out. On detroits Hard Scrabble west side seems like everyone knows them. Thats yall were from block to block, business to business, this group of black men shows up day after day, rain or shine, offering protection, resources and respect. Every day yall out here filling the gaps . Yeah, man, this is are our people is. Reporter they are new era detroit an organization that fills the void between the people and politicians. People come in and, you know, they come holler at us about things they may need or, you know, if they struggling with their water bill, light bill, gas bill. Reporter their everyday faces in some of detroits most disinvented communities, hood First Response team, but they feel invisible to those at the height of political party. Were one of the leading organizations on the ground. The closest you get to black people in this city. We havent heard anything from a democrat or a republican. Reporter men like them in communities like theirs, could very well determine who is sent to the white house in 2024 with democrats and republicans vying for their attention. I got indicted a second time and a third time and fourth time. And a lot of people said, that thats why the black people like me, because they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against. Black men have not benefitted proportionate to other populations in terms of Economic Opportunity and economic health, much less wealth creation. We just have to be honest about that. Reporter while biden has locked down traditional black voters, black men are poised to become something of a swing vote, Polling Showing Trump is on track to capture a larger share of black voters than any other republican president ial candidate since 1996. Why do you think its harder to connect with us . They want the votes an thats it. They dont care about nothing else. People come to our communities and pander for our votes and we know we aint never seen this before ever its fake. Reporter in recent months, biden, Vice President Kamala Harris donald trump and Robert Kennedy jr. Have made trips to michigan without visiting the kinds of neighborhoods new era works in . We live in communities where people are worrying about they next meal, people worrying about, you know, if theyre going to be able to keep the lights on. We never seen these people. You know what i mean, theyre not real people. You know, then when they come, you said they come to michigan and come to these places, but its not an inn our places. Who among you is definitely going to vote . Raise your hand if youre definitely voting in this election . Just one . You havent decided whether youre going to vote or not. Im undecided. Me and my family were democrat. I dont know. Who im going to vote for. None of us speak for all black men, but i wonder if the candidates were listening what would you tell them black men, especially want for our communities . Just want to see and touch you, just want to feel your vibe. If you really want the black vote spend more time in the black community with black people carrying about their problems. Reporter Back On The Streets the brothers of new era are doing what they do best and say most politicians cant or wont do, showing up for black people in a way they can feel. Whats up . This is really good and interesting reporting. I understand the desire for this to feel, to touch, to see, the candidates in their communities, talking to the people there, to find out what they need, and that seems pretty clear if joe biden wants that vote he should be going out there. Donald trump hasnt gone out there either, so what explains that jump in support for donald trump . If hes not showing up either why are voters saying some voters he might be better than joe biden . For some voters there is this desire to push away from whats been expected from them. Your mother, your father is democrat now i have that also. At the same time the conditions havent changed either way. Whether its a republican or democrat their lived experiences are exactly the same. When donald trump pulls out the gaudy gold sneakers and black like him because of his record thats not the case. There are misinformed voters, but theres also a sense that something has to change and we cannot be taken for grant. Even when the white house, Kamala Harris has her Economic Opportunity tour aimed at black men in particular trying to push into some communities but there are communities like this on the west side of detroit saying ive never seen you, into the sur row date gait. Interesting, michigan especially because thats a place that joe biden needs to win either one need to win. Its a place where the protest vote because of the war in gaza has taken a toll and joe biden in the primary and theyre worried about it in the general election. I wonder if we should expect to see them take a trip out there . You think so. One last time, 150,000 votes and many votes left on the table in communities like that . Trymaine lee, thank you for bringing that us to. Those guys were great. Like hearing from them. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Thats going to do it for me today. Happy friday. Deadline white house starts right now. Hi, everybody. Its friday. We made it and theres big news at 4 00 in new york, with no less than the f