It is good to be back in pennsylvania. 63 days from election day. Pennsylvania. They are going to change the name of pennsylvania. 's tonight, steve kornacki on the road to 270 and how the keystone state has become a crucial battleground. I love the road to 270 map and now we get to use it. And donald trump's eroding advantage on his centerpiece issue. And just as you thought the unearthed tapes were all earthed clearly this has made me a miserable person who can't have kids. J. D. Vance and his longstanding ties to the project 2025 masterminds. I think what the heritage foundation is doing is so important and so worthwhile. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I am chris hayes. The labor day holiday is over. It is the first tuesday of september. The first tuesday of november's election day and that means, yes, it is happening america. We are two months out. 63 days to be precise, which means the sprint is on to the finish. Republicans are getting very nervous about one thing in particular. Party leaders are warning top donors privately and publicly in panicked tones, they need more money to compete with democratic spending. The head of the republican party senate campaign is telling politico the only thing preventing us from having a great night in november is the massive financial disparity our party clearly faces. Let's be clear. It is a fundraisers job to sound panic and ask for money. Maybe you have seen that in text you have received. Donations have been through the roof in every election cycle since strome became the face of the republican party, but this case looks different and it does look like some of the panic is warranted. Here is why. We don't have a full tally from both campaigns, but in july the harris campaign raised $310 million, more than double what trump raised. The spending gap between the parties has rarely if ever been as big as it is today. Look at these key battleground states were the situation for republicans is so stark. Look at those numbers. Proharris groups are spending roughly 10 times as much as pro trump groups buying political ads in michigan, nevada, north carolina and wisconsin. Three times as much in the state of arizona and that is all according to political data analysis from the firm that tallies these advise on television. That is a colossal spending disparity. It is the kind that might make a difference in a tight election. There are however two swing states were despite the huge disadvantage right now in fundraising, republicans are keeping pace. I think this tells you something about where the race will come down to. This will be georgia and pennsylvania. In those states pro trump groups appear to be outspent everywhere else, but not in georgia or pennsylvania. Where they are matching pro harris spending almost dollar for dollar. The reason of course for this is the electoral college. The bizarre antidemocratic system of presidential voting that says no matter how many people vote for you for president, you need 270 state electors. It is a system that has already caused enormous problems in america, like when george w. Bush and donald trump both lost the popular vote and when the electoral college and don't forget in 2020 it was the perverse incentives and complicated machinery of the electoral college that provided trump with the opening to steal the election along with his plan for fake electors. A plan that culminated in the january 6 insurrection. That was the day that the electoral college votes were going to be tallied. The electoral college is still there. It is in the constitution, operating in the background. Every single strategic decision both campaigns make are determined by it. What you are seeing in the spending of the trump campaign, i think, they have one main path to victory that they appear to be putting literally all of their money on hand that is basically this map. Envision this result. It is pretty much the same as 2020. Everybody wants the states from that year except donald trump flips two states. He flips georgia, which joe biden famously won by 11,000 votes and he flips pennsylvania. That gives him 270 electoral votes, to 268 for kamala harris. Under that scenario trump becomes president again. Kind of a nightmare for the democrats. Harris could sweep the states and win nationwide by millions of votes. It would not matter. As the washington post pointed out if trump can hold north carolina, the only one of these states he won in 2016 and 2020 and he takes george and pennsylvania, that's it. It is over for harris. Now that path, that math is a highrisk, high reward strategy for republicans. The reason we are talking about this path is the ad spending we showed you at the top of the block. What is clear is pennsylvania is absolutely crucial. As you might have gathered from trump's last few rallies. When i am back in the white house, america's future will be built right here in pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is always a big factor. We've had big success, politically and otherwise. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. This is a very consequential vote in pennsylvania, because they say that if you win pennsylvania you are going to win the whole thing. We cannot let these people, we cannot let these people when pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is almost as crucial for harris. Right now she loses in the polls, but it is within the margin of error and i think it is fair to say all these states can be close. If she wins there she is in good shape. She can also win in longshot scenarios without pennsylvania. She can hold georgia and flip north carolina, which a democrat has not one for quite some time. For both campaigns the keystone state looks like a true keystone directory and that has also borne out this week. Harris and president biden rallied in pittsburgh on labor day. The campaign saying harris will return there on thursday. Running mate tim walz is beginning his own solo trip to multiple parts of pennsylvania including lancaster on wednesday. Even doug emhoff, first gentleman, is expected to campaign in allentown, pennsylvania this week. Trump is expected in harrisburg tomorrow to fill my town hall with sean hannity and fox news of course and beyond that he has no major public campaign stops scheduled this week. I'm joined now by nbc national political correspondent steve kornacki. Good to see you. Getting ready. 63 days from now. Your physical stamina built up. I found that data fascinating and indicative of where they see their race. What did you think? like you said, the importance of pennsylvania and how direct that path is. You hold north carolina if you are trump. They've got pennsylvania and they think there are opportunities in pennsylvania and maybe a missed opportunity for the democrats in not putting josh shapiro on the ticket. You put it that way and you can see the interest, but the the thing to keep in mind is in either case if you lose pennsylvania, it is the largest of the swing states for electoral votes. 19 of them. Georgia, 16. Carolina, 16. If you want to offset a loss in pennsylvania in wires to other battleground states. That is the key map. Let's look at this trump 270 map which we were showing before. You know you've got nevada, arizona, wisconsin, michigan. But he does manage to win pennsylvania, flip georgia and hold north carolina. That is that narrow 270 path. And from harris's standpoint if she were to get wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania and nothing else, she is exactly at 270. If she loses pennsylvania she has to offset it with those states. It is first among equals when you talk about those states. One of the scenarios keeping me up at nights, but i don't think is a possibility anymore or likely is when biden was in office and it looked like he was going to have to hold the blue wall. His polling in nevada looked really bad and to the extent they were pulling that single district around omaha and it looked like he had a shot of that. He had a shot of holding the blue wall, even losing georgia, holding that congressional district and just getting 270. I worried what that would mean afterwards. Pressure on nebraska lawmakers, et cetera. That narrow path seems different now that nevada seems to be pulling in a different way. Nevada is always notoriously difficult and there has always been opportunity for republicans in nevada because you have the huge rural blue collar, white population has been trending republican. Harris has made strides with nonwhite voters. Hispanic voters in particular. This is where there was the biggest lag for biden. Where will you find voters like that in a battleground? more you will find them in the sun belt states. So there is more opportunity for the democrats down there, but that said, biden winning georgia, that is the first time a democrat had won that state since 1992 and it was 12,000 votes. Arizona was basically 10,000 votes, so these are extremely narrow margins and there is a poll of political history that keeps these states very winnable for republicans. There are two aspects about those states. Some of you have been talking about it and as you have been briefing all of us. You know, there is the polling, but then there is the kinds of people living in the kinds of places they are and the kinds of voting groups democrats do better within the trump era versus republicans. One of the things that characterizes georgia and arizona is enormous metro areas as a share of total vote for the state. So georgia, that atlanta area, that phoenix area, as democrats have done better in metro areas, including the suburbs, that has been a richer pool of votes for them and part of the math that allow them to pull off 2020. Right. Metropolitan areas, suburbs that are fastgrowing, too. The atlanta metro area, extremely fastgrowing and you have counties where democrats were losing by 30 points. 20 years ago. Or mitt romney in 2012. They can now win by double digits. They are rapidly diversifying. Democratic friendly demographics. You've got that in georgia and arizona. North carolina is another interesting one, because that sort of exists for democrats in the research triangle. You're talking about the raleigh chapel hill area. Talking about mecklenburg county where charlotte is, you've got that if you are a democrat. But if you are a republican you look at north carolina and say the democrats have been flexing their muscle in the metro areas. Trump has been driving bigger margins in rural counties and not just rural counties, midsized counties as well. Relatively speaking there is a larger noncollege white population there as a share of the electorate in north carolina. Those sort of offsetting trends, which we have seen in election after election. Midterms. We've seen it in texas, too. Democrats winning harris county 12 years ago is crazy. Now they win reliably. Around the dallas suburbs, doing much better than they were years ago. Those margins in those rural areas are going to 8020. And we can talk about a state like wisconsin, too. Suburbs outside milwaukee are still republican suburbs. A lot of other suburbs of gone. They are becoming less republican, so it is hurting republicans what is happening in the suburbs. Trump is offset a lot of that. He offset all of it in 2016. He narrowly offset it in the rest of the state. That is something democrats have to look at. When you look at the polling it is close in these battlegrounds, but it was true of biden and harris. The best numbers tend to come from wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. We saw that with biden in 2020 and we are seeing that with harris now and demographically. Noncollege white voters and they are in abundance in those states in particular. There is a question over whether they have adjusted properly. As there was in 2020. But everyone has been doing a lot of work on this. The bias is the ultimate question. You can take every precaution you want to say we need just the right number of noncollege white folks in our survey, but there are voters who will vote democratic. And of republicans aren't answering the phone and won't talk to you, you will get the democratic ones in the effort. If the variable you are selecting on is i don't want to talk to you because i'm voting for donald trump, essentially, it is very difficult to model your way out of that. We won't and i think that is the asterisk that comes with every poll. Georgia polling was incredibly good and we should say, in a bunch of different races that were very close, georgia polling held up pretty well. Wisconsin was the famous poll in october, 2020 that had biden up by 17. He wins the state by a fraction in the end and we saw that in 2016 as well. Every poll we see from those states, that is the asterisk that comes with it and of course we won't know until election night. Wisconsin was pretty quick. I was 3:00 a. M. Steve kornacki, great to have you here. We will do this again more. Polls show kamala harris gaining ground on key issues. My that is, next. Evan, my guy! you're helping them with savings, right? () i wish i had someone like evan when i started. 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Of course donald trump ordered senate republicans to abandon their own bill, to kill it out of pure cynicism, hoping the problem would get worse so it would benefit him so he could have headlines about the border. The fact that trump ordered republicans to abandon their own bill was mentioned i would say just about every 20 minutes at the democratic convention, including kamala harris's acceptance speech. There is something else that place else at play. Take a look. This chart shows apprehensions by border patrol at the border from october, 2020 in the thick of covid, until july, 2024. You can see it starts low. During the pandemic, not a lot of people crossing. Then it begins to rise with people being comfortable being outside again. I want to bring your attention to january of this year. Look at that. The numbers fall sharply and continue to trend down. The latest data shows border encounters were at their lowest point since september, 2020 in the pandemic. I think that is pretty notable. First of all, no one is, you know, ringing the bell about that. We only hear about the border when crossings are up, but it means fundamental underpinnings have changed and i think it has created a different issue. The one issue trump wants to run on and is more confident in. A huge part of shifting the issue was the bipartisan border bill. Senator chris murphy of connecticut joins me now. Senator, we talked a bunch throughout the negotiation of that deal and its announcement and trump killing it. The entire time he said look, we have to tell the american people what we have done here. Did you have the same impression i had at the dnc which was in the list whoever wrote on the qcard for topfive messages, that border bill was in the top five. For once we have been really good and consistent about a message and a simple message that is true. Listen, forever republicans talked about the border. They wanted the border to be a miss because you mentioned it was their oxygen and the way they convinced people to be scared. So when they were presented with this bill that would have dramatically declined the number of people arriving at the border, they panicked. They realized they might lose this issue electorally and donald trump pulled his lieutenants in the senate to vote against it. So what he essentially did was call there love. They voted against it and exposed for the entire country their real agenda, which is to complain about immigration, complain about the border as a means to divide americans from each other. So the message is really tight and simple. You can tell the story in 15 seconds. Democrats and republicans are of the toughest border security bill in decades. Donald trump killed it because he wants the border to be a miss and it speaks to the underlying insincerity people believe are at the heart of donald trump. It is not a hard story to sell. It has the convenience of being true as well. Yes, it is 100% true. Let me ask you a devils advocate question. One of the arguments during negotiations was the president has unilateral power. Legislation is a. After that trump killed the bipartisan legislation. The president did take executive action at the border and we have seen this huge drop. Everyone wants it to be a cause and effect. Push a button. We are talking tens of thousands of desperate human beings making decisions. What do you say to people who say look, we are right. The president pushed a button, numbers go down. It is true that actions of the bidenharris administration have resulted in crossings at the border being lower today than at the end of the trump administration. That is a combination of good and smart diplomacy with mexico. Diplomacy that won't be available to donald trump. He will have an antagonistic relationship with mexico. And due to the fact that the administration did implement through executive order sections of that bipartisan bill. The problem is it is not clear if those executive orders will stand up in court. It is an open question if they have the legal authority. Of course the administration first pursued making those changes. The emergency power at the border. Changes to expedite how we process those claims through statute and only when they failed because of republicans did they move to implement it by executive order and that in combination with the diplomacy with mexico has made a big difference, which is why americans look at the record of joe biden and reducing crossings. They look at the hypocrisy of donald trump turning down the ability to have a bipartisan agreement and they are starting to come to the conclusion that maybe democrats are better when it comes to the issue. Immigration and border security. That is one of my pet peeves in this whole issue. My own feeling is the country deserves an immigration system that is orderly, humane, and in the national interest. We also want people to be treated like human beings that have dignity and also that is good for the country. From that last point that i thought the dnc did a good job and kamala harris talking about parents being immigrants themselves. That part of the equation, which is we are really lucky as a nation that a lot of people want to come here who are amazing people. It is really good for us. That part gets left out of the discussion. The more you talk about the border as this sort of fixation. So people do not want to give up on immigration as a core american value. So they do not find trump's message in the nation's best interest, but they are also not interested in a party that does not talk about border security in the context of a broader immigration reform and for a long time democrats did not lead with a conversation about fixing the border. We talk mainly about how you can treat folks already in the country, which is an important topic. All of a sudden our message resonates with a crosssection of america's because they want a country that allows folks to flee torture and terror and destitution, but they want it done in an orderly manner. When democrats start talking about border security and then use that as a means to talk about a pathway to citizenship and work permits, it creates a buyin from the american public which results in the republican advantage disappearing. In part because you really don't want this dystopian world where the local sheriff is turned being into openair detention camps of migrants, which is what trump is selling. Senator chris murphy, always good to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you. Coming up, if there is a day that ends in y, there is audio of j. D. Vance being weird to women. That's next. But just ok isn't ok. And i was done settling. 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We are running our country be at the democrats or corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they made, so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too. Kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children and how does it make sense that we turned our country over to people without a direct stake? you go on twitter and almost always the people who are most deranged and psychotic are people who don't have kids. People without kids try to brainwash the minds of our children. Randi weingarten, who's the head of the most powerful teachers union in the country, she doesn't have a single child. If she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children she should have some of her own. We just got another one of j. D. Vance on a podcast in 2021. I will play it at length because i think it is worth hearing. The nominee fully explained this. What elite culture does, what these elite institutions do is they take some very smart people in our society. They filter them in a very small place and basically tell them to want the same things. Clerkships, law firm jobs, consulting gigs. You know, nice cushy jobs at private equity firms and they tell them they are only going to be happy if they get those things. So this people end up focusing on career and credential on expense of the things that actually make people happy. So you have people at yale law school, you have women, who think that truly the liberation path is to spend 90 hours a week working in a cubicle at mckinsey instead of starting a family and having children. To me what it is is sort of a value system to replace the fact that they are all fundamentally agnostic. They have no real value system. The only value system is achieve in a very conventional way. So the idea that somehow they are pursuing racial or gender equity is like the value system that gives their life meaning. Clearly this value set has made me a miserable person who can't have kids because i already passed the biological period when it was possible and i live in a 1200 square foot apartment in new york and i pay $5000 a month for it, but i'm really better than these other people. What i'm going to do is project my racial and gender sensitivities on the rest of them. The reason our society is broken is because these people don't think the exact way i think, even though the way that i think is maybe a miserable person. Otice. The guys who work week at mckinsey, that's great, i guess. It is no accident j. D. Vance t repeated these ideas so often. He was speaking to an audience auditioning for a role in the republican party. Influential people on the right, tucker carlson and those in trump's inner circle, they ru agree with vance. 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Donald trump keeps donald trump keeps insisting he and his campaign have nothing to do with project 2025. As the new york times uncovered in 2017 the heritage foundation behind project 2025 put out a weird series of essays. A report called the index of culture and opportunity. You will never guess who wrote the introduction to that report and deliver the keynote speech. What we are less comfortable talking about is the question of culture and that is what is so important about the index and the conversation we are having today. We are recognizing the importance of culture and that it influences opportunities. Children who grow up in circumstances that i grew up in, that it affects their opportunities. An opinion columnist for the new york times joins me now. I remember the childless cat lady comment on tucker carlson at the time as being gross and offensive, but you could be forgiven for thinking he is trying to play up to tucker. Everyone says something stupid sometimes. It is a fixation. It is his go to insult because it is about different types of people. They are not childless, not invested in the future. It is teachers, journalists. Lawyers. His go to expression of contempt is to say that this group of people globally is childless. Yes and what is striking about it is in that clip that we played in the previous block, you were here for it. If you take gender out of it and said look, elite culture tells people the most important thing is grabbing the brass ring and working all the time. I would be like that is true and there is more to life than that, but there is always women. Women, women, women. Remember he was talking about getting these clerkships and becoming a corporate lawyer. That was his wife literally until this summer when she quit her job after he became the vice presidential nominee. It is interesting because when some of the original childless cat lady comments and he said i was not talking about people who can't have children, i'm talking about if they choose not to have children. Now he is talking about people who can't have children. Right, because he says your biological window has closed. I did not read hillbilly elegy when it came out so i did not read it through the filter of the discourse at the time. I read it when he reemerged as a vice presidential prospect and that is a book that just seethes with anger. J. D. Vance is someone very ill treated by both of his parents. Both of them left him let him down phenomenally. The anger he has at his mother for not fulfilling his maternal role compared to the anger at his father, it is a completely different scale. So you know he has this trauma that i think he then projects onto everything around him. He has this volcanic anger. It is a really good point. One of the things is i think that feminist critique of the antiabortion rights movement has always been, whatever you say about life, you really are just obsessed with controlling women and reproduction and thinking that is the sum total of what it is. Here is from the report on pregnancy and ivf in 2017. Heritage. Between celebrities having children well into their 40s and companies adding benefits like egg freezing technologies, women are lured into the belief they can have children whenever they are finally ready. However the biological clock is still alive and kicking. These benefits need to be discussed in light of new novel solutions that lure people into thinking they can do for motherhood on a timeline. It is so dripping with contempt. I know. I read that essay. The kind of nominal reason for opposition to ivf is because we think embryos are full human beings and which i think is kind of an out their position, but a morally consistent position. The position of the catholic church, i should note. This is pure, like this is some kind of out. This is some way in which you think you could circumvent the natural life force that we create for you. Yes and the entire thing is dripping with this desire to control how other people choose to live their lives. Specifically women. How women live their lives. Should we all go check with j. D. Vance? when he is vice president does everyone have to check? is 25 too late? it is not your business. I find it so weird. And people get that, right? that there is this sort of weirdness. Donald trump has his own problem with women, but it is more his desire to molest and objectify them. Whereas j. D. Vance's desire is to condemn and control them. People i think get that from him. I think it is interesting to think about the degree to which the harriswalz campaign has morphed. Just sitting on some enormous podcast stock pile. Every week there is a new one. I said this on the show before. I still think we don't pay nearly enough attention to the fact that j. D. Vance did a blurb in a book that came out this summer calling for fascism. Praising francisco franco in talking about how democracy is not enough to destroy the sort of subhuman class. There is so much j. D. Vance has done. He has spent so much time and that never world that there is probably an inexhaustible supply. And the final point on this that i think is important is this stuff is not accidental. Him making the tour of podcast brose to talk about this stuff is not unconnected to him getting the gig. That was the audition. That was also his path out of never trumpism into the heart of maga. Mitchell goldberg, always good to see you. A quick programming note. I will be a guest on late night with seth meyers tonight on nbc. We had a great discussion about the dnc and about learning that biden was dropping out while my kid was bouncing in a bounce house and what's next for the presidential race. Don't miss it. 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A spokesperson for the israeli military says they were killed by hamas shortly before forces found them. One of the victims had been kidnapped and the other five was from the music festival. Among them a 23yearold israeliamerican whose parents tirelessly fought for his release. Here they are speaking at the dnc last month. This is a political convention. But needing our only son and all of the cherished hostages home is not a political issue. It is, it is a humanitarian issue. At his son's funeral yesterday, hersh's father said we failed you. We all failed you. Maybe your death is the stone, the fuel to bring home the remaining 101 hostages. At the funeral for one of the other hostages, his grieving mother impressively implicitly criticized the government for not bringing her son home alive. Powerful expression of powerful expression of the frustration of many israelis over the prime minister's seemingly constantly shifting rationale of why he cannot get a deal for a ceasefire and return the hostages home. Many in the israeli public seem to be losing patience, feeling the window forgetting hostages back alive is closing. I am joined now by editor at large and still with me, michelle goldberg, opinion columnist at the new york times. Peter, i was so affected by those words from the hostage families. This weekend. It was interesting to see the reaction in israel and the reaction in the u. S. which seemed quite different. In israel it seems very clear that a large understanding of the dynamic is that we will only get these 100 people back if we have a ceasefire deal and the prime minister doesn't want it. Basically the dynamic. Yes. Benjamin netanyahu at the beginning said the two goals of the war were to destroy hamas and bring the hostages home. It was clear early on that those goals were and profound tension with one another and what is now clear is not only that they are diametrically opposed, but that israel can't destroy hamas. It has destroyed gaza, but even israel's own security chiefs, even the spokesperson for the idf said it is a fantasy to say that israel can destroy hamas. So you have israelis saying we can't destroy hamas and now you are preventing us from getting the hostages home, too. It is just unbearable. One of the things about this, michelle, is just the enduring brutality, obviously. We should note there are 40,000 palestinians in gaza who died. We don't know the status of 101 hostages. There has been this almost kind of waiting for gadot quality to this for months. Playing clips of joe biden being like just around the corner for the hostage deal. It does seem to me that whatever leverage u. S. Policymakers have, they don't seem to be using it. They are not willing to use it. That is the problem. You have this prime minister of israel who is almost wholly selfinterested who knows that if this concludes he is probably going to prison. His motives are completely cynical and refusing, obviously as hamas bad faith? yes, but he has been the sticking point and making these demands of, you know, this continued israeli presence and socalled philadelphia corridor. He is refusing to make a deal. Meanwhile the united states which has already outlined what the terms of this deal would look like. Because of domestic political pressures, can't actually exert the sort of leverage that would force him into a deal. There are a lot of people in the united states i think calling for an arms embargo, but structurally that is a very, very difficult thing in the current configurations of the political coalition. So in a way that will happen and the israelis know there is no way that will happen. Something that i think specific is the degree of contempt he has for american politicians and his total confidence that he can manipulate them to his liking. You know, peter, as the sort of conflict of this seems the most similar to me in terms of historic precedent, the war in lebanon in 1982. I was going back and reading about that last night in the wake of this and looking at the timeline. That goes for three years. Of course the marine barracks were bombed and over 200 marines lose their lives in beirut. It is brutal and awful and the politics are terrible. The massacre that happens there. An enormous political scandal in israel with people in the streets and yet it just goes and goes. It goes longer than you think it could. Right and remember what comes out of that in terms of israeli politics. Hezbollah. They sow the seed for hezbollah, just like american could not imagine things worth in saddam hussein and we got isis. Hamas is a despicable organization that has done despicable things, but the problem is if you only have a military response and don't fundamentally address, israel or the united states, the fundamental denial of palestinian freedom even if you were able to destroy hamas, yes. You would probably get something even more militant. What do you think is going to come out of the ruins of gaza? all of these people that have grown up and seen so many family members killed. This is the strategic kind of mistake of this whole enterprise. Yes, that point not just the mistake of the enterprise. In israeli politics, this thing you hear over and over again. Worse is the only thing they understand. The idea that the people they are in this conflict with can be beaten. That there will be a point where they are beaten into submission. To that point and peter and your point about 1982, the goal in lebanon, they succeeded. They definitely left, they went to tunisia and then hezbollah went up and everything that proceeded from that. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. That is all in on this tuesday night. Look who it is. My friend alex wagner. How are you doing, buddy? i'm alive, i made it. You did it. So did you. You are still standing. We did your podcast and vanished from the world and now we are back. We are back. We've got 63 days. I'm ready. Have you got your power bars? i've got them. Thanks as always. O