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and apart from the close circle of eu friends there was no—one i spent as much time with as with the russian foreign minister. on all sorts of issues. sometimes we didn't agree. often we disagreed, but it was important to keep the communication channels open. then, certain occasions, crimea, ukraine aggression, we imposed sanctions on russia. but even more important, i think, we stressed the importance of building up the democratic resilience of our respective societies. that is the biggest deterrent to aggression. that you have the democratic support of the respective countries, be that ukraine or be that whatever other country it could be. diplomacy, absolutely essential. diplomacy, absolutely. but we've heard also from the americans in particular, a range of financial, political and economic sanctions which could be implemented if you don't make progress on the talks. so a point on that, then, carl bildt? that's not something we want. we want...

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