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excuse me, this is wrong. this is wrong. but that wasn't occurring. everything was occurring normally, so up to that point there's no indication of engine problems, flat problems, control problems. you know, no tricky winds updrafts, down drafts, nothing. that's a very important piece of data. i think jim probably feels the same way. >> you mentioned a tool that was about challenging. what is it called? >> it's called crew resource management, and the united states has really pioneered it. i'm sure jim has been more than trained in it and does it well, but what that means is that the pilot not flying, especially, is supposed to challenge the pilot flying. if there's anything at all wrong. they're supposed to work as a team that challenges each other to do the best things at all times, and we'll want to listen when the ntsb puts out the full cockpit voice recording. if they even did that when they were low and slow. seven seconds out, they should have done it. >> let's pick it back up. let's listen for the next points. leave our mikes open, price. >> concerns with the approach.

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