i called his body person and he didn't answer his phone. then i called the white house switchboard and asked to be put through. and they said he was not available. and then i called his personal cell phone. now, i knew most of the time he didn't bring his cell phone into the oval office but i thought maybe he had it or in the residence, i didn't know where he was so i tried his cell phone and it went to voice mail and the president and i never spoke that day. >> we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> was president trump responsible for the insurrection on the capitol? >> i don't think the speech he gave that day caused what happened. >> that's worse than one speech. >> my point is that i think people minimize what happened on the 6th by pointing to the speech that he gave on the ellipse on the 6th. >> it sounds to me like you're saying he was responsible for it. >> what i'm saying is that you can never be wholly responsible for the conduct of other people.