administration needs to use sticks and further than it's wanted to so far. it's hard to imagine you will get there solely by offering lottery tickets or $100. >> i think everyone should be vaccinated. i think we have a responsibility to get vaccinated, not just to ourselves, but to others. what do you think would happen if there was a national mandate to be vaccinated, and how would you enforce it? >> yeah, i don't think the president actually has -- can mandate that, has the authority to mandate everyone. >> but the question is whether you impose more constraints and burdens on the vaccinated or try to impose more constraints or burdens on the unvaccinated. >> that's got to be the last word. i appreciate both of you. i want to get the latest on the infrastructure bill with