given what trump has admitted, do you think the transcripts are necessary? >> i would agree, i think we could have started impeachment before this. certainly what we've heard already is enough to start an impeachment inquiry. and more than that, we are derelict in our duty to the people, the american people, if we don't start it. >> i apologize for my cough. joe biden tweeted out today, he told trump to release the transcripts in a tweet. the president said, i could release them. i'm curious what you think, though, congressman. because legally, obviously you don't need a concrete threat for a quid pro quo. if these transcripts come out, they don't have that direct threat, does that muddy the water and cause this to backfire politically? >> the president is going to make every kind of argument to support his position that he can. he's already admitted he was talking to the ukrainian president about a political rival. the reporting has been that he