position of we'd rather be wrong, be charged with chicken little here than we would -- than to see the invasion happen. so they're willing to take the hit that they are they are declaring that things are going to happen that may turn out don't maybe because putin changes his plans. >> so we're going to be seeing the ukrainian president in the middle of his country on the edge of war there when you are tomorrow. what do you think he hopes? what do you think really can be accomplished there at the munich conference? >> i think the first really interesting question is, does he come? we've been reading american intelligence warnings that say the russians are trying to stage a coup. wouldn't seem to be a great time for him to be leaving the capital. but if he does, it's to continue with his case that we can carry on, that ukraine can carry on,
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