these american missiles called atacms. and now it looks it's like they're set to get the longer range version around almost just shy of 200 miles, i believe according to senator mark warner, one of the fears by the biden administration in giving those to the ukrainians was provoking vladimir putin and escalating the conflict. do you think that the biden administration is getting a little bit bolder when it comes to confronting putin. >> well, i think they were pushed into this action because congress actually authorizing the sade package for the biden administration to provide atacms or at least come back and explain to congress why they're not going to do that. >> the reality is that you can control the ukrainians from striking russian territory, which would indeed be escalatory, use us weapons to do so, but they can use those weapons to strike further into crimea, further behind the front line to hit russian logistics. i think it's really important obviously, mike johnson had been against opposed ukrainian aid packages and then he came around and one of the reasons we're told is because he got a detailed briefing on all these global issues from the cia director

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