he listened and decided he wanted to keep fighting. >> reporter: so -- >> trump decided to put giuliani in charge and exactly what he did. giuliani was willing to do what he wanted. >> reporter: that is what led to this infamous press conference mid-november 2020 featuring rudy giuliani and another lawyer named sidney powell. >> the dominion counting systems wered ed in venezuela. >> only thing left, could have been the same person 30 times. >> characteristic feature, its ability to flip votes. >> thank you. >> reporter: ben ginsburg, preeminent party election attorney battled with democrats on many recounts and recalls was watching. >> when i first heard that press conference i said, oh, my god. can that really be true? because if there was nothing there, they wouldn't just be