he should stop thinking out loud and start thinking deeply. he should start listening to the scientists before he speaks. he should listen to the health experts. because donald trump, uh, was against wearing masks and against the advice of his science advisors, there were many of his opponents who took it as a badge of honor to be embracing and doubling down on what they saw as the guidance of science. debate is building at the white house and in state houses tonight over when to cast off the curbs imposed by covid-19. [gabe] the calls to reopen parts of the nation's economy are growing louder. putting all of these workers out of business is just, it's a disaster. it's much better to have people coming in, even on staggered shifts and even working four days a week or three days a week than not working at all. that's how we're gonna have to get the economy back. i think the president does need to talk about how we're going to reopen the economy.