did not attend, mr. giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past and mr. yermak stressed he told mr. giuliani it is the government's program to root out corruption and implement reforms and they would be conducting investigations as part of the process any way. mr. giuliani believes the ukrainian president needed to make a statement about fighting corruption and that he had discussed this with mr. yermak. i said i did not think this would be a problem since that is the government's position anyway. i followed up with mr. yermak and he said that they would indeed be prepared to make a statement. he said it would reference burisma and 2016 in a wider context of bilateral relations and rooting out corruption anyway. there was no mention of vice president biden. rather in referencing burisma in 2016 election interference it was clear to me that he, mr. yermak was talking about whether