fraud. the attorney general's lawyers saying you can't stick your head in the sand as a defense. >> kara, thanks for that report. i want to bring in our legal and pliical experts for analysis. >> i don't think he helped himself in front of a judge. perhaps that would have appealed to a jury and regular citizens, but i don't think that would impact the judge in any positive way if anything because the judge then had to turn to his lawyers and say calm down your client, i think that probably -- he did himself more harm. but i don't think that was even his point. right, his point was to be able to make a statement and use it for political purposes down the road. >> and that's clearly what he did. norm eisen, let me get your sense what's the risk right now for the trump organization? >> well, it's substantial, wolf, including that when all of these trial and appellate proceedings are concluded, it may no longer be called the trump
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